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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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NoVA is more like Palo Alto than SF. DC proper is a different vibe

My rental car got broken into early evening in Palo Alto last year .. just behind the nice restaurants on University Ave. I think the crime increase may be a bit more defused.

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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SF is funny. If you complain about the crime, lots of long-time residents are loath to admit crime has gone up. "It's been like this since I can remember." "Born and raised fifth generation SFer, no, it's always been like this." Ideology gets the best of people and they don't want to believe. Sure, there have been nadirs before, the 80's after all industry left and only some financial services were left downtown --th…

The Mayor of San Francisco appointed a tough-on-crime prosecutor who has spoken in public in favor of reviving failed policies like the war on drugs, purged employees hired by her progressive predecessor, and canceled investigations into police misconduct. You already have the most reactionary, cuff-em-and-stuff-em prosecutor you’re likely to get in San Francisco. So if crime is still a problem, you’re going to have…

The district attorney until last July was a very progressive opposite of tough on crime prosecutor named Chesa Boudin. In july he lost a recall election, and Breed appointed Brooke Jenkins who was also previously a DA but quit to support the recall election of Boudin. Jenkins has to run for the position in November - currently she's only serving the rest of Boudin's term.

So the 'tough on crime' stuff is very new, at the speed the courts move.

As for the police, the people said they hate the police and the police heard them loud and clear, and are leaving on their own. For the same reasons, far fewer people are interested in joining their police force.

Why be a police officer in a place that hates you?

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/san-francisco-grap...

https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-police-department-shortag...

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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I’ve been in Seattle for a mere 8 months and I’ve been robbed already.

Sounds like it’s time to setup the Anhk-Morpork thieves’ guild. https://wiki.lspace.org/Thieves%27_Guild

Because you are going to have crime, it might as well be organized.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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I used to go for walks around my SF apartment in the Tenderloin. To keep myself entertained, I'd count the number of poops I saw on the sidewalk.

I live in Bernal Heights. Maybe that's why I haven't seen a human poop on the sidewalk in.... well never, anywhere near me. Probably seen it twice in 20 some years living here, and not anywhere close to here. Were you aware that the Tenderloin is, ya know, what it is, before you got an apartment there? It's been well known as the seediest part of the city for a century or more.

I knew, yes. I was on a budget at the time. $1550 for a studio with no kitchen was the cheapest thing I could find on short notice that wasn’t too weird. It was a great location, and the was pretty cool, just a little shitty (pun intended).

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Got a $1500 bike stolen from the inside of my locked apartment in Potrero Hill back in 2015 or 16. Was very bitter about that -- it was one of the few things I brought with me to SF. Police ignored it. For weeks after I was walking through all the homeless chop shops looking for it. About a month after the theft, I received a call from someone who bought a frame (just the frame) with my serial number at a San Jose fl…

Law enforcement is useless if they pick and choose which laws to enforce. Laws themselves are pointless if they are not enforced (or even worse: selectively enforced)

Prosecutor's office has a large role here. No reason for cops to investigate crimes that won't be tried.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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First, this survey seems to be about the last 5 years, which is noteworthy. Also, > a quarter have been threatened or physically attacked That's a much scarier thing. 1/4 people were threatened or attacked in a 5 year period? That's pretty rough

I’d like to see the split - most robbery involves threat (burgling is just taking stuff, robbery is taking stuff from someone like mugging).

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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The weirdest thing I noticed moving to the bay area wasn't SF (have been there a couple times and only saw a little bit of the craziness), it was how different South Bay/Peninsula are from the city I expected the same SF problems you hear about to be issues in that area, and they really aren't (at least where I live) Idk if I would ever move into the city tbh, it just seems like a shithole. I'm sure it's less boring,…

Come to downtown San Jose and you will see a lot of the same issues. It has a lot to do with scale. The peninsula Nimbys have successfully kept any scale from being realized there. We have rampant theft, breakins, unsolved shootings and stabbings, shit and piss needing to be regularly cleaned from the sidewalks. We have few sideshows luckily but plenty of streets lined with ppl strung out on drugs and no prospects.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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I mean if a single package being stolen from your porch counts, then I'm surprised it isn't higher over five years . And porch pirates abound in suburbia too. The actual scary thefts are home breakins and muggings. I feel like the headline wants you to think it's those, when it's mostly stolen packages or something.

So here is the proper source of the pool, with the actual question asked.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/sfnext-poll-crime-sfp...

Responses to the question "During the last five years, was any item you owned ever stolen from you, or did that not happen during that time?"

Note that it does not specify that you reported a theft. Note that it does not ask any real context about what was stolen and how.

If I was answering this, in Chicago, I’d have to say yes to how that was worded, because I’ve had an Amazon package or 2 disappear. But while that’s a valid question, I’d prefer more granular questions, because let’s be honest here, Amazon does refunds, there’s a big gap between a bag of dog food going missing and getting your car broken into.

“Have any of your vehicles or properties been physically damaged by theft?”

“Have you been physically assaulted for theft?”

“Have you been pickpocketed?”

(I’ve love numbers on that in Chicago. I feel like almost everyone I know has their phones stolen in 2021 at various festivals.)

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Fair enough, but I don't think I'm saying anything that hasn't already been pretty abundantly documented over the last several years.

That permissive drug enforcement policy increases crime? I never read any study to that effect, much the opposite.

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