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Post by hfourm »

coinbasetwwa wrote: post #245
aborochoff wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So apparently its evident to a lot of people on hacker news that kanye has a mental illness and is making bad decisions because of it. If this is the case why hasnt someone tried to take power of attorney or something similar here?

Because it’s just people arguing on conjecture that folks they disagree with are mentally ill. He is quite obviously sane if you hear him speak.

Did you not watch the Netflix documentary? The last episodes contained many non-obviously-sane conversations. Especially the one where he was talking to bankers at one of their vacation homes.

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Post by tptacek »

houstonn wrote: post #259
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

It's more of a story of a famous artist who thinks for himself and has been marginalized for years as a result. Every time he says something that deviates from the accepted narrative, he is attacked and dismissed as "crazy", "insane", "sick". Many non-normative geniuses throughout history have been treated in this manner. Before anyone strawmans this, he does occasionally say things that should be condemned, particul…

Again: not only is he diagnosed, he's open about about it. He literally attributes his success to his mental illness. His "thinking for himself" includes the a paranoid delusion about literal fake children corrupting his children. You're not doing him any favors by dignifying this stuff.

The irony here is I'm not condemning West. I'm recognizing the terrible situation he's in. It's your analysis that's uncharitable to him, not mine. I think he's a victim in this story.

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Post by nonameiguess »

impowski wrote: post #19

I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash” and so on, but at the same time you are not allowed to say anything against jewish people or other people? Isn’t it kinda hypocritical? Maybe we should not allow toxic behavior at all and have a civil discourse about someone is feeling towards some group of people to allow him to change his mind? Personal attacks and hatred will not do any good this will on…

> I mean you can say “men are trash”, “white people are trash”

Are you sure? It's been a few years since I purged all social media from my life, but three years ago, it was going around and seemingly well-documented with screenshots that saying "men are trash" would get your post auto-deleted and your account sanctioned on Facebook.

This seems like another of those things where extremists on all sides believe they're being uniquely persecuted and some other side of the spectrum is given free reign, when more likely than not most mainstream platforms are pretty centrist.

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Post by ididitagain »

tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

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Post by merely-unlikely »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #124
mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

We don't need a free speech platform. People need a choice as to how the content they see is moderated. That's what forums used to do, until we collectively decided to just put all the forums on Facebook or Twitter rather than having separate forums for each interest. Everyone thinking "we need free speech on Twitter" has lost the plot, and, as you mentioned, the revealed preference of people who claim they want free…

Twitter et al should allow users to choose their own third-party moderators and feed sort. Kind of like choosing your preferred ad blocker. That way everyone can see their preferred curation.

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Post by adamrezich »

dd36 wrote: post #90
tsol wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The news media maybe. But watching tv, surfing the web, etc the majority generally sides with the liberal status quo of our times. It's rare to see genuine positive religious sentiment in media compared to real life, and it's very obvious to me

But isn’t that an indication that truly free peoples are less religious as opposed to a conspiracy? My whole life there have been religious cable news shows. If they were extremely popular, they’d air on prime time or their content would be shared more on social media. It’s not being blocked.

believing that what you see on TV reflects reality 1:1 is exactly why it's so dangerous—it's a wholly artificial, professionally-curated window into reality, nothing more, nothing less. I'm a bit shocked to see people still buying into the idea that it's an accurate reflection of reality, as you are, still, in the current year.

what makes you think that the content that appears on television is any sort of democratic free marketplace of ideas? why would that be the case, given its obviously corporate structure? like sure, you have "FOX News" presenting one Approved Viewpoint, and everyone else representing The Other Approved Viewpoint... but where are all the Unapproved Viewpoints on television? obviously, they're not there, for wholly obvious reasons.

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Post by mrtksn »

Joeri wrote: post #256
mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

I used to be free speech absolutist, but I am not any longer, especially when it comes to social media. The argument in favor of absolute free speech for me was basically “let everyone hear everything and make up their own mind”. This presumes that people are swayed by the content of an argument. This is a false assumption, people are mostly swayed by the volume of the argument. This is well documented in psychologic…

I agree, mostly. I propose methods to address these shortcomings instead of limiting speech.

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Post by [deleted] »

chatterhead wrote: post #193
jleyank wrote: post #95

Can't make private individuals or companies host your speech. Can't make people listen to your speech. There's no protection against civil (ie, non governmental) action against your speech. You want freedom, host it your self and be prepared to accept the consequences and gains. Go to Speakers Corner and have a go. Put up a website. Buy a TV/Radio station, or Internet provider.

Until you get DOS'd to death.

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Post by phatfish »

coinbasetwwa wrote: post #241
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

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You seem to have missed the last couple of weeks of Kanye's antics.

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Post by soupfordummies »

OJFord wrote: post #234
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

It's linked ('unaired segments of the interview') in the submitted article: https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ad77y/kanye-west-tucker-car... Bizarre. In a way, good on them for editing the weirdest stuff out... But really probably shouldn't have used any of it when someone's so clearly in such a bad state? I mean it really is just driving clicks/views/profit from someone's poor health, in a nasty sort of way (i.e. not…

It's Fox News. I don't think they have any ethical care whatsoever.
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