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One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by mmcnl »

taylodl wrote: post #168
brokenkebab2 wrote: post #127

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I didn't like FB well before it became fashionable, but I don't understand your logic here: what is that exactly that you can't entrust WhatsApp to send, but you can trust Apple, or your mobile carrier?

Apple's iMessage is secured end-to-end, your mobile carrier can't see the message. As soon as the box goes green then any intermediary, including your mobile carrier and your friend's mobile carrier, can read the message and/or make it available to law enforcement. In a U.S. court of law Apple has stood up to authority and pointed out they can't provide the messages requested as they're locked even to Apple. Facebook…

WhatsApp is end-to-end encrypted. WhatsApp actually uses the Signal Protocol. Probably the best protocol they could use. It's described pretty detailed in a whitepaper publicly available on the WhatsApp website: https://www.whatsapp.com/security/WhatsApp-Security-Whitepap...

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by jeremy0x4a »

wewtyflakes wrote: post #254
spoils19 wrote: post #234

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What? No. Apple is directly responsible, like the GP said.

Wouldn't the bully be the one directly responsible?

The modern bully demands all lunch money be submitted via Apple Cash, or else.

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Post by notyourday »

lupire wrote: post #146
chinchilla2020 wrote: post #118

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I agree that this is a middle school level analysis, but I've seen it a couple times in practice during my career. 1. In the dating scene, I have heard women remark that it was a red flag (Android users are stereotypically poor... despite a large number of techies using Android) 2. A manager at my old company was advised to get an iphone for communication with VCs. One of our old leaders had heard commentary from a V…

#1 is great. A gold digger (and a low intelligence one at that) waving their red flag at first contact.

No, #1 is "this is his burner number"

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Post by ls15 »

brokenkebab2 wrote: post #127
taylodl wrote: post #95

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Using Facebook to do messaging? No thanks! Sure, when communicating with international friends I use WhatsApp because that appears to be what the rest of the world uses, but here in the States? No. We don't trust Zuckerberg. And yes, iMessage group chats are very much a thing here in the States and SMS group chats in general. And also yes, there's always that techie friend with an Android and makes your whole convers…

I didn't like FB well before it became fashionable, but I don't understand your logic here: what is that exactly that you can't entrust WhatsApp to send, but you can trust Apple, or your mobile carrier?

I don't know about GPs logic, but my logic is pretty simple. I don't use any infrastructure that Mark Zuckerberg had his fingers on. That was clear to me after the first time I saw him.

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Post by viridian »

As a counterpoint to everyone saying they've never heard of anyone caring about the bubbles; back when I was in college my fraternity sent out big group messages via iMessage only.

If you wanted to know about events and didn't have an iPhone, you needed to check your email or hear about it second hand. No one wanted to deal with broken MMS, formatting, etc, so that's how things were handled.

Some folks with Android phones were annoyed, but the official stance is that your email should be the place you check for this stuff anyways.

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Post by ls15 »

scatters wrote: post #206
checkyoursudo wrote: post #141

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I can run WhatsApp on my iPhone. I cannot get my kids' school parents-group not to use WhatsApp. It was a pain to get even my best friends in Europe to use anything except WhatsApp.

Well done that parents' group. Obviously something like Signal would be better, but that'll happen once there's enough social consensus.

Meanwhile, I am lighting a candle for every poor soul that has been pressured into installing Meta products.

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Post by ls15 »

scatters wrote: post #207
criddell wrote: post #165

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Is WhatsApp open? Are there alternative clients?

Even better: it's a player in a competitive market. So you can switch your chats one-by-one to Signal, Telegram or whatever floats your boat.

I am glad that the EU actually has another definition of letting people use what is floating their boat: Force big-tech player to open up protocols, so users can send messages from any messenger to any other messenger.

https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/24/dma-political-agreement/

As a user I cannot see any downsides.

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Post by sangnoir »

computerfriend wrote: post #208
golergka wrote: post #196

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> Android users are stereotypically poor... despite a large number of techies using Android I haven't lived in a country where text bubbles used to be a thing, but I noticed this. People, even people who are smart and kind in other aspects, still cling to the easiest social cues. Doesn't matter if you wear a Margiela t-shirt or what you drive; your tinder date or a person who you just met in a bar will look at your p…

It's the opposite. You're now missing out on the valuable signal of whether someone is obsessed with wealth and class or not.

I have ascended to the even more-conceited plane of "I don't bother with social signifiers" (which ironically is a signifier in itself- but in my case, I mostly do not care). Then again, I'm not currently in the dating pool, so YMMV

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Post by sicp-enjoyer »

NickC25 wrote: post #178
sicp-enjoyer wrote: post #162

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I think courting VCs already involves sacrificing your pride and doing a song and dance. Why not do a small easy thing to help close the sale?

Because a VC that is more concerned with the type of phone you use than your product/service/company is probably a VC you should stay away from. Imagine explaining to investors in your VC - "You know that XYZ company that just IPO'd for several billion dollars? Yeah I passed on their series A because the founder didn't have an iPhone despite the business itself being really solid". If I was an investor in that VC I'd…

I completely agree with the sentiment, but i'm sure deals are made on less trivial factors all the time. They just aren't explicitly stated.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by sangnoir »

samatman wrote: post #174

Interesting that reducing contrast is the exact 'nudge' Hacker News uses to inform us that a comment is less credible.

in HNs case, I suspect it's deliberately intended to lower interaction with grayed out text (to avoid pile-ons and low-quality/flamey discussions rooted on such comments)
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