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Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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Post by KptMarchewa »

piva00 wrote: post #181
pembrook wrote: post #172

It’s crazy to me how Facebook has so many employees when their entire business is basically managing 3 software products (Facebook, instagram and the advertising platform). Meanwhile I think Apple has about the same number of employees if you subtract the retail Apple store workers. Yet, Apple’s business is comprised of managing, and this is only a rough guess: - 30+ hardware products and their supply chain, marketin…

Even including the retail employees, Apple's footprint is barely double the size of Facebook. I agree that it's really bizarre how wasteful FB's operations seem to be compared to Apple's. What an unimaginative company...

Isn't a lot of retail apple stuff essentially outsourced? Apple sells a lot of stuff in Poland, but there are zero Apple jobs here. It's all "authorized reseller" and "authorized service".

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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Post by ksec »

pembrook wrote: post #172

It’s crazy to me how Facebook has so many employees when their entire business is basically managing 3 software products (Facebook, instagram and the advertising platform). Meanwhile I think Apple has about the same number of employees if you subtract the retail Apple store workers. Yet, Apple’s business is comprised of managing, and this is only a rough guess: - 30+ hardware products and their supply chain, marketin…

Maps,

Siri,

iCloud,

ApplePay, Apple Card, Apple Pay Later, Apple Cash.

AppleNews.

Apple Fitness

Apple Arcade.

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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Post by Bilal_io »

afpx wrote: post #212
thrwawayacc wrote: post #12

amazon manager here: it's the same with us. our director gave told us to manage out more people this year to hit our revised headcount targets for next year. there are no layoffs, just larger-than-normal targets for managing out people. I talked with friends across various orgs and the targets seem to range between 10% to 25% for different teams (as opposed to 5% for normal years).

Yet, Amazon has over 13,000 open tech positions: https://www.amazon.jobs/en/landing_pages/tech-roles

I get contacted by Amazon recruiters very often. I either ignore them or say it's not the right time for me.

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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Post by whywhywhydude »

marban wrote: post #179
pembrook wrote: post #172

It’s crazy to me how Facebook has so many employees when their entire business is basically managing 3 software products (Facebook, instagram and the advertising platform). Meanwhile I think Apple has about the same number of employees if you subtract the retail Apple store workers. Yet, Apple’s business is comprised of managing, and this is only a rough guess: - 30+ hardware products and their supply chain, marketin…

Adobe, on the other hand, with its ~26k headcount is juggling an astonishing range of products and services it seems.

They probably have thousands of contractors who are conveniently left out of the headcount.

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

tarsinge wrote: post #226
oblio wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, so that's why we have millions of blog articles about how to scale software and software organizations? Because software used by 10k people needs as many features and infrastructure care and investment as one used by 3 billion people?

That's not how it works, WhatsApp had 50 engineers when it had 900M users[0]. Beside iMessage is not only used by 10k, some estimates put it at more than 1 billion users[1]. [0] https://www.wired.com/2015/09/whatsapp-serves-900-million-us... [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2022/09/10/why-apple...

iMessage has a lot of users if you count people with iphones who very occasionally try to send a text but end up using iMessage. I count as one but it still is completely irrelevant to me. WhatsApp is where everything interesting is.

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Post by yolovoe »

l33tc0de wrote: post #126
thrwawayacc wrote: post #12

amazon manager here: it's the same with us. our director gave told us to manage out more people this year to hit our revised headcount targets for next year. there are no layoffs, just larger-than-normal targets for managing out people. I talked with friends across various orgs and the targets seem to range between 10% to 25% for different teams (as opposed to 5% for normal years).

Reading the Amazon horror stories on blind, I never reply to Amazon recruiters. Amazon's hire-to-fire strategy is now widely known

I work at AWS on EC2. It's really not bad. Very competent coworkers, technical leadership, plenty of principal engineers willing to help... Oncall's tough, and we definitely need more engineers but otherwise, you learn a lot

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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Post by toastal »

rippercushions wrote: post #157
technion wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On that issue I've never seen a LinkedIn message from a Tiktok recruiter, or heard messages about mass hiring. Anyone know if they operating on a much lower staff count?

Bytedance recruits extensively in Singapore.

And have been in Thailand too

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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Post by Moto7451 »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #261
piva00 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even including the retail employees, Apple's footprint is barely double the size of Facebook. I agree that it's really bizarre how wasteful FB's operations seem to be compared to Apple's. What an unimaginative company...

Isn't a lot of retail apple stuff essentially outsourced? Apple sells a lot of stuff in Poland, but there are zero Apple jobs here. It's all "authorized reseller" and "authorized service".

I’m assuming you’re in Poland. In the US and in some countries neighboring Poland there are owned and operated Apple stores with Apple staff. When I visit my work’s Warsaw office I always seem to need an Apple Store for something and end up settling for an iStore or similar third party. Authorized Retailers are fine but they usually lack all the small spare parts Apple will carry. On these trips I always seem to break a specific part that I know an Apple Store carries and have to wait until I am in another country.

These stores were started in the early 00s due to Apple’s lack of control over how their products were merchandised in US big box stores. Prior to Apple Stores, I purchased all my Apple products and equipment from a catalog or the early E-commerce catalog websites A lot of the experiential sales in Apples world stemmed from the retail experience they created.

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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Post by jollyllama »

pembrook wrote: post #172

It’s crazy to me how Facebook has so many employees when their entire business is basically managing 3 software products (Facebook, instagram and the advertising platform). Meanwhile I think Apple has about the same number of employees if you subtract the retail Apple store workers. Yet, Apple’s business is comprised of managing, and this is only a rough guess: - 30+ hardware products and their supply chain, marketin…

It's especially crazy given how terrible Facebook's UX is outside of the native apps. Ex. You can't rate marketplace sellers at all and it's been that way for a year or more.

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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Post by [deleted] »

peteradio wrote: post #222
pembrook wrote: post #172

It’s crazy to me how Facebook has so many employees when their entire business is basically managing 3 software products (Facebook, instagram and the advertising platform). Meanwhile I think Apple has about the same number of employees if you subtract the retail Apple store workers. Yet, Apple’s business is comprised of managing, and this is only a rough guess: - 30+ hardware products and their supply chain, marketin…

Apple came from the 80s when people actually built real difficult shit instead of cashing in on corruption.

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