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Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by igouy »

boston_clone wrote: post #258
igouy wrote: post #253

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Non-sequitur. spiderfarmer claimed — Aidas Ardzijauskas's amazing feat "Goes to show" blah blah. No, it does not. You won't find anyone running 200 miles in descriptions of persistence hunting ;-)

I'm not sure why you're attempting to call out non-existent fallacies and having so much difficulty accepting the hypothesis. The person in question averaged roughly 40 miles per day. The specific example provided in the wikipedia article - full of citations to supplementary materials - detail a group running up to 35 miles per day. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Neither Aleksandr Sorokin's 24-hour world record or Aidas Ardzijauskas's daily run have anything to say about persistence hunting.

Sorokin's run is way too fast. Aidas Ardzijauskas's run is too long and too frequent. For persistence hunting think walking and jogging.

Did you misread "The hunters run down an antelope, such as a kudu, … a distance of up to 35 km (22 mi)" as being 35 miles?

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by kamaal »

igouy wrote: post #251
jononomo wrote: post #164

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You get more benefit from just walking, I believe.

Walking is good. Walking doesn't raise the heart rate enough. https://www.ntnu.edu/cerg/personal-activity-intelligence#Bet...

Wrong, Walking can be more beneficial than even swimming or running if done right.

Please see: https://www.artofmanliness.com/health-fitness/fitness/heavyh...

Basically use all your four limbs while working out, even running appears to be a dumb way of exercising since only two limbs are involved at any given time.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by igouy »

Andy_G11 wrote: post #257
spiderfarmer wrote: post #203

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That’s an amazing feat. Goes to show we once were predators who weren’t fast but had the stamina to outrun most of our prey.

Interesting video here of one of the San people running down a Kudu which collapses from exhaustion after an 8 hour chase: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826HMLoiE_o . Hard to compare this to Sorokin because the hunter is running in veld, not on a road, and has far less access to refueling points. Also, if he fails to track the prey down on day one, he would probably have a go again on day two, maybe even day three.…

Dog owners know to take water with them for the dog, if they're walking a few miles on a hot day.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by igouy »

kamaal wrote: post #262
igouy wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Walking is good. Walking doesn't raise the heart rate enough. https://www.ntnu.edu/cerg/personal-activity-intelligence#Bet...

Wrong, Walking can be more beneficial than even swimming or running if done right. Please see: https://www.artofmanliness.com/health-fitness/fitness/heavyh... Basically use all your four limbs while working out, even running appears to be a dumb way of exercising since only two limbs are involved at any given time.

As-it says — "… at certain levels, Heavyhands Walking approaches the cardiovascular workload of jogging" — but not the cardiovascular workload of running.

If walking is what you are happy to do, then use resting heart rate and maximum heart measurements to guide your effort.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by _0w8t »

nonameiguess wrote: post #215
_0w8t wrote: post #119

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Energy efficiency per distance of running improves very little with training. According to the book “Burn” by Herman Pontzer we are talking about few percents, not even 10%.

That is presumably talking about differences in metabolic and mechanical efficiency, but assuming those are held equal, energy output still scales linearly with work performed, which is directly proportional to body mass, and energy loss from atmospheric and wind drag is going to operate similarly. Simply being smaller and having a slimmer profile will result in less energy needed per unit of distance compared to an…

That book described total energy expenditure for an individual per distance traveled. It does not improves much even after years of training. It is interesting that for running the efficiency does not depend on speed as wind drag does not contribute much below 20 km/h. This is different from walking. Walking at relaxed pace is the most efficient and uses 2 times less energy per distance than running. At about 7 km/h walking becomes less efficient than running.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by grsmvg »

ryannevius wrote: post #20

Aleksandr's training is public on his Strava: https://www.strava.com/athletes/26934035 Something to remember is that this is his pace _after_ pit stops, so his actual running pace was faster. Also notable is that this course was kind of terrible, with four 90 degree turns and three 180 degree turns each lap for 209 laps. There's little doubt that he could run > 200 miles on a course with fewer turns.

This is his actual running pace. Strava only calculates pace including the stops when you set the activity type to ‘race’, which he didn’t.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by kamaal »

igouy wrote: post #264
kamaal wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrong, Walking can be more beneficial than even swimming or running if done right. Please see: https://www.artofmanliness.com/health-fitness/fitness/heavyh... Basically use all your four limbs while working out, even running appears to be a dumb way of exercising since only two limbs are involved at any given time.

As-it says — "… at certain levels, Heavyhands Walking approaches the cardiovascular workload of jogging" — but not the cardiovascular workload of running. If walking is what you are happy to do, then use resting heart rate and maximum heart measurements to guide your effort.

>>pumping 3-lb weights while walking briskly generated 2.5-3X the workload of walking without the weights, and at certain levels, Heavyhands Walking approaches the cardiovascular workload of jogging.

This the full sentence. The cardiovascular workload of jogging is for sub 2 kg weights.

So it depends on the weights and pump levels your are using. 1 - 2 kg weights definitely has cardiovascular workloads of jogging. The >2 kg weights are a different deal altogether. In my experience running doesn't hold a candle to what happens from 3 kg onwards. In a 2 hour walk, you are lifting tons of weights as your are walking(with extra kgs of weight on your body), for like 2 hours straight.

It might even be unfair to compare it with running because this is really a very different exercise altogether. Only thing that I found somewhat comparable is swimming.

As a general rule never exercise with just two limbs alone. Its a poor return on investment for the time spent. This literally follows from logic.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by joelrunyon »

js2 wrote: post #68
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #17

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I can't even imagine. I'm gassed at that pace after a couple of KM.

I have a 1:28 half-marathon PR, a 3:07 marathon PR, I've twice run 100 miles in under 24 hours, and I can't imagine even more. That said, the marathon WR is 2:01:39 which is 4:38.39/mile (2:52.98/km). So Sorokin is running about 55% slower than that, or what would be considered an easy pace for an elite marathoner. AFAIK, we have yet to see an elite marathoner transition to ultras. However, there are quite a few elit…

Wardian is an insane athlete.

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Post by prvit »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #116
jjslocum3 wrote: post #91

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You might instead try THC (technical, high-cardio) running; it takes up less of your weekend.

Crack is also good for weight loss. The crystallized form of cocaine.

Regular cocaine HCl is crystalline too.

Re: Aleksandr Sorokin smashes 24-hour world record with 198.6 mile run

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Post by igouy »

kamaal wrote: post #267
igouy wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As-it says — "… at certain levels, Heavyhands Walking approaches the cardiovascular workload of jogging" — but not the cardiovascular workload of running. If walking is what you are happy to do, then use resting heart rate and maximum heart measurements to guide your effort.

>>pumping 3-lb weights while walking briskly generated 2.5-3X the workload of walking without the weights, and at certain levels, Heavyhands Walking approaches the cardiovascular workload of jogging. This the full sentence. The cardiovascular workload of jogging is for sub 2 kg weights. So it depends on the weights and pump levels your are using. 1 - 2 kg weights definitely has cardiovascular workloads of jogging. Th…

However you choose to exercise, measure resting heart rate and maximum heart rate to fact-check.

https://www.ntnu.edu/cerg/personal-activity-intelligence#Bet...

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