It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over • Hacker News Board

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by d-trieu » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 6:26 AM UTC

Underphil wrote: post #215

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every couple of months one of his friends will get banned for no reason. I know you want to trust your child’s friends, but “it happened for no reason” is exactly what kids say when they don’t want to own up to the consequences of their actions. Obviously, you can only monitor your own child’s gameplay and not what their friends are doing on their own time. I strongly suspect there’s more going on than you realize.…

Do you play Minecraft? If so, drop your username right in here and we'll happily test that watertight FAQ for you.

Sure, go ahead. My ingame nickname is Dat12.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by preisschild » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 6:26 AM UTC

yodon wrote: post #18

amiga wrote: post #8

Anyone who has ever seen an MS acquisition play out before knew this was coming. Minecraft has been open for some time, and that has an effect counter to the control that MS seeks over its products. "Embrace, extend, extinguish" has been the strategy for decades.

Are you seriously arguing that Microsoft is intentionally trying to "extinguish" it's own IP? I realize that "Embrace, extend, extinguish" is a hopelessly tired and outdated meme, but trying to freshen it up by arguing they've now reached a level where they are intentionally trying to kill their OWN products as part of some grand and 30-year-in-the-past EEE "plan" is simply absurd.

Thats certainly what they are currently doing with WSL

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by FPGAhacker » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 6:29 AM UTC

Underphil wrote: post #215

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every couple of months one of his friends will get banned for no reason. I know you want to trust your child’s friends, but “it happened for no reason” is exactly what kids say when they don’t want to own up to the consequences of their actions. Obviously, you can only monitor your own child’s gameplay and not what their friends are doing on their own time. I strongly suspect there’s more going on than you realize.…

Do you play Minecraft? If so, drop your username right in here and we'll happily test that watertight FAQ for you.

Underphil Aphqt

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 6:29 AM UTC

curiousgal wrote: post #230

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every couple of months one of his friends will get banned for no reason. I know you want to trust your child’s friends, but “it happened for no reason” is exactly what kids say when they don’t want to own up to the consequences of their actions. Obviously, you can only monitor your own child’s gameplay and not what their friends are doing on their own time. I strongly suspect there’s more going on than you realize.…

> what kids say when they don’t want to own up to the consequences of their actions. Oof. They're kids. Cursing here and there is not the end of the world.

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by Smithalicious » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 6:32 AM UTC

I feel like this is pretty shitty. Me and my friends were playing minecraft before many of the children that supposedly need to be protected now were even born. I'm sure server owners will work around this, but I feel like the well is poisoned now, some amount of innocence has been lost. Hosting a minecraft server has always been administering your own little kingdom, it's where me and many others got our first experience self-hosting services. Now Microsoft is squarely inserting itself in what used to be a relationship directly between server admin and player.

Of course part of me also thinks that handing out the occasional game-wide permanent ban that can be quickly circumvented by buying another $25-or-whatever-it-was license is good business for a game that everybody already owns, but that's probably too cynical.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by the_cramer » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 6:32 AM UTC

hooby wrote: post #242

Microsoft lost my copy of the game during the account transfer. Despite me having an account, that had both re-downloaded the game and played it just a few weeks earlier, had a custom character skin stored in it, and other stuff - they claimed I didn't actually ever own Minecraft, and demanded I provide proof of purchase. I provided as much as I could - including security questions+answers (which I had stored in my K…

-> Basically I was considered guilty unless I could proof my innocence

imho this is not comparable. You are considered unknown (account-wise) until you can prove that you are known. That's how a login system works.

Now why Microsoft didn't see your account, didn't accept your "proof" and left you in the rain, that's another story. A bad one. Big tech should care about the small man, they are their income after all.

Good decision on turning them the cold shoulder.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by tiahura » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 6:33 AM UTC

ouid wrote: post #258

asddubs wrote: post #207

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IMO the best way would have been to enforce it for realms, maybe have a way for privately run servers to opt-in, and let parents toggle some switch that only lets their kids play on moderated servers. but microsoft was completely unwilling to make any sort of compromise in that direction. Adults tend to generally prefer to play with other adults, and they might also use profanity on adult-only private servers. Unfort…

I'm going to use profanity wherever the fuck I want. Especially on a fucking videogame. You are not entitled to have the rest of the world stop saying fuck because you don't want your child to hear it. Moreover, Microsoft doesn't have the right to impose this restriction on the "license" I purchased from a different company a billion fucking years ago. Malleable licenses shouldn't exist. We need real consumer protect…

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by vintermann » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 6:33 AM UTC

watwut wrote: post #256

causalmodels wrote: post #213

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> I highly doubt this. The Minecraft FAQ has this to say about it: This level of naïvety is somewhat endearing.

Having experience with all of following three: kids, minecraft online, kids playing minecraft online, no. If someone get banned unfairly with such frequency, they are either super extraordinary unlucky or just some of those kids do mess and trolling on the side.

Sure. But the kids getting banned may not be the kids doing the messing and trolling on the side.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by watwut » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 6:36 AM UTC

sidewndr46 wrote: post #151

lightsandaounds wrote: post #147

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I understand your point, but I would be upset if I took my family to Chuck E Cheese's and there was a table full of adults loudly talking about their raunchy escapades from the night before. I think it is a fair assumption that a child's game will have clean chat.

It's Chuck E Cheese's. Pretty sure that is a private business. They can mostly do what they want in most jurisdictions. If you want to censor communication in your own home, go for it. If I paid for a license for Minecraft Java edition, why can't my friends and I play and communicate as we see fit?

Private business like Chuck E Cheese will ask you to tone it down or leave in such situation.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by iforgotpassword » Fri, Sep 09, 2022, 6:37 AM UTC

the_cramer wrote: post #266

hooby wrote: post #242

Microsoft lost my copy of the game during the account transfer. Despite me having an account, that had both re-downloaded the game and played it just a few weeks earlier, had a custom character skin stored in it, and other stuff - they claimed I didn't actually ever own Minecraft, and demanded I provide proof of purchase. I provided as much as I could - including security questions+answers (which I had stored in my K…

-> Basically I was considered guilty unless I could proof my innocence imho this is not comparable. You are considered unknown (account-wise) until you can prove that you are known. That's how a login system works. Now why Microsoft didn't see your account, didn't accept your "proof" and left you in the rain, that's another story. A bad one. Big tech should care about the small man, they are their income after all. G…

Same for an account I bought via PayPal. I even did still have the PayPal transaction id since PayPal was connected to another email. But the email the account was linked to was lost.

Reply: "sorry we lost payment data for this time period. Fuck off"

Since that day my server allows cracked logins. Didn't migrate my main account to Microsoft either. I bought the game from Mojang, not Microsoft. Since from my pov, the online services of the game shut down, it is at least morally ok to pirate the game now.