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EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by Gareth321 »

camhart wrote: post #241
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

> * Install any software > * Install any App Store and choose to make it default I don't see mention of this in the summary. Where is it described?

It's in the legislation included in the link (https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/PE-17-2022-INI...). Page 129, for example, details the rules for app and app store installation:

>The gatekeeper shall allow and technically enable the installation and effective use of third-party software applications or software application stores using, or interoperating with, its operating system and allow those software applications or software application stores to be accessed by means other than the relevant core platform services of that gatekeeper. The gatekeeper shall, where applicable, not prevent the downloaded third-party software applications or software application stores from prompting end users to decide whether they want to set that downloaded software application or software application store as their default. The gatekeeper shall technically enable end users who decide to set that downloaded software application or software application store as their default to carry out that change easily.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by bena »

dane-pgp wrote: post #133
MichaelCollins wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The apparent desire for paternalism unnerves me. Any time people are free to choose who they associate with, they run the risk of coming across bad actors who would scam them or worse. In most domains of life, we have special protections for the senile elderly and children but everybody else is given freedom and subsequently expected to develop and exercise a sense of good judgement, because freedom is more important…

I absolutely agree with you, but here's a hypothesis worth considering: What if we're building a society that is so complicated that it just isn't feasible for individuals to make informed decisions about important matters any more? Societies have long accepted that things like medical treatments have to be prescribed by an expert, and some societies have even decided that healthy people can be forced to have medical…

We're not building that society. We're living in that society.

I don't understand how people didn't realize this over the last couple of years.

We are not qualified to have opinions on a lot of things we do have opinions on.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by the_duke »

Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Another significant point: Gatekeepers also must allow uninstalling their bloatware software.

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Post by nabla9 »

rpadovani wrote: post #32

Lovely. The EU is a behemoth that takes years to proceed, but I really like that they are still trying to fight for consumers' digital rights.

EU always starts slowly, often with inadequate policies and regulations. But there is constant grind and improvement.

Take for example carbon pricing. It started long time ago, was not good enough. There was gradually tightening and now it finally starts having some teeth and more is coming.

Re: EU Digital Markets Act, aimed at Google, Apple, Amazon, approved

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Post by enos_feedler »

Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

And yet, Apple can still charge software companies whatever they want to allow software to run on the phones. Nothing says anything about the business elements of these user experiences. So if anyone thinks this law is going to take money from gatekeepers and put it into the pockets of app publishers they are kidding themselves

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Post by JohnGB »

plandis wrote: post #251

One would think that if there is truly a Europe wide market for such an unlocked device a competitor should be able to challenge Apple and Google dominance. Europe could even subsidize it. But instead, it’s more engineering by bureaucrats. Why is Europe so afraid of competing in the open market?

That's an ironic take given that these rules are there to take away monopoly power and have an actual open market.

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Post by DrBazza »

Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Presumably you didn't live through the EU vs MS? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Commission

That was the unbundling of Internet Explorer from PCs.

Which in hindsight looks like small beers compared to Chrome on-every-device usage, and probably why MS are getting away with it, again, bundling Edge and crippling Firefox workarounds.

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Post by antonymy »

yoavm wrote: post #100
Gareth321 wrote: post #2

This is easily one of the most expansive Acts regarding computing devices passed in my lifetime. The summary is in the link. As an iPhone user, this will enable me to: * Install any software * Install any App Store and choose to make it default * Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default * Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default * User any browser and browser engine and choose to…

Interestingly enough, an iPhone that complies with these demands is actually the first iPhone I'd ever consider paying for. I wonder if this might actually increase adoption.

Same, actually. I've seen enough iPhones in the hands of friends and family to be envious of some of the features, but I've never wanted to be part of Apple's walled garden. A more open iPhone that I would be free to choose my own apps for if I didn't like Apple's offerings? Yeah I'd try that.

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Post by avgDev »

sbuk wrote: post #249
avgDev wrote: post #218

Oh please spare me this crap. This isn't true at all. I knew this was bs before switching to iphone but I was optimistic. Apple AirPlay is just pure trash, so I have to use chromecast. My Apple watch keeps bugging out and notifying me few minutes late and requires restart of both devices. The device keeps connecting to open networks while my remembered home network is available. The camera lens has issues with glare…

> Oh please spare me this crap Someone else's opinion isn't 'crap'. Like what you have proffered, is as much an opinion as the OP.

I actually provided some cons, unlike OP.

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Post by efsavage »

plandis wrote: post #251

One would think that if there is truly a Europe wide market for such an unlocked device a competitor should be able to challenge Apple and Google dominance. Europe could even subsidize it. But instead, it’s more engineering by bureaucrats. Why is Europe so afraid of competing in the open market?

> Why is Europe so afraid of competing in the open market?

Because they haven't been winning. It's not a coincidence that the revenue thresholds for this bill is conveniently higher than any Europe-based companies.

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