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Post by SantalBlush »

unmole wrote: post #197
SantalBlush wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also act in rational self interest, so I guess that makes all of my positions apolitical. With that being said, abortion should be legal at the federal level. By your logic, this isn't a political statement.

Most people also support political positions that are orthogonal to or even against their self interest. That is what makes them different from corporations. Literally nobody will benefit from a ban on abortions. That doesn't stop people from taking such a position.

You're using your own personal definition of "political", in which positions taken in rational self interest are not political, but this isn't how it works. It's difficult to have a discussion if you're using your own definitions of words.

It seems what you're really trying to say is that corporations should only act in rational self interest. As has been pointed out, there are circumstances in which a corporation can be acting in rational self interest by supporting abortion, or by taking other politically-charged positions.

The whole rational-vs.-political dichotomy you're trying to put forth is a false one; being political is not synonymous with being irrational or whatever you're suggesting.

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Post by woodruffw »

alfor wrote: post #256
woodruffw wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the person you’re replying to agrees with you; they were trying to intentionally be absurd. The only problem: a fetus is not a child, and this entire rhetorical strategy requires us to ignore that fact.

You are right, I thought it was some kind of stoicism. I would say it’s a part of it, in the process of becoming a complete human. We could say that abortion is a fractional murder

Murder is a holistic concept; it admits no possibility of fractionality. Ask yourself: what does it mean to do 60% of a murder?

Philosophers have, and will continue, to debate the sufficient conditions for humanity. But a conceptus meets none of them, nor does anything that is not independently viable.

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Post by betwixthewires »

neoyagami wrote: post #207

Isnt this contraproductive? This means less voters who may in a furure overturn this

I don't think most people want to live in a place where they don't like the laws in a moonshot bid to take over the world for ideological reasons.

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Post by imgabe »

diob wrote: post #238
belltaco wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-politics-of-the...

This person is in no way interested in facts, they'll move the goalposts again after it becomes widespread practice.

I seem to be the only one interested in facts rather than hysterical speculation. The facts are nobody can produce a law or proposed law banning contraception or IVF or requiring every embryo to be used.

What's been produced so far is an article from 2005 (above) about a handful of extreme conservative groups, which has clearly gone nowhere in the past 17 years and a video of Ben Shapiro, whose only job is to say provocative bullshit.

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Post by djur »

gadflyinyoureye wrote: post #10
lettergram wrote: post #6

I wonder if this is a business decision that has shown it could be profitable. I can imagine people without kids work more hours. Then again, they have a lot less to lose. Interesting business decision. The question I have, some states are going to call abortion murder and charge it as such. Is Google aiding and abetting a homicide?

Possibly. Now the fun will begin if when the Feds stake a claim via the Commerce Clause to make inter-state abortion travel a right. This could end run Roe's overturn because the Feds could say that a State not allowing abortions will affect the price of abortions much like the Feds said you can't hold back corn grown on your farm to feed your livestock because that would prevent the corn from going to market at a ma…

The Feds don't need to rely on Wickard or any Commerce Clause jurisprudence in regards to freedom of movement. Freedom of movement is guaranteed by the Privileges and Immunities clause.

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Post by lettergram »

jhawk28 wrote: post #48
tjr225 wrote: post #14

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Google cares about attracting and retaining smart people. Smart people generally respect reproductive rights. So I guess in some ways you are correct, but not in the way your response to the person you are responding to would imply. What is interesting is that I guess the average google employee is in a good enough position in life to either afford birth control, get an abortion if they need one, or simply figure out…

The split of pro/against is really close to 50/50. If you think that the smart people are only on one side or that only one side has "good" arguments, then you are living in a bubble. The argument over abortion was going on before Roe v Wade. Roe v Wade only prevented legislation from finding a solution.

Here’s a citation: https://application.marketsight.com/app/ItemView.aspx?Shared...

Depends what you mean really, as much as 60% are against abortion after a fetus can feel pain (debated: 7-28 weeks), with another 20% undecided and only 20% support abortion.

Most people just don’t know how to have an informed discussion.

What overturning Roe really does is allow states to set the threshold. Roe prescribed a method of determining whether an abortion was legal — “viability”.

Now you can have Colorado having after birth abortions (seriously legislated) and Texas banning abortions after heart beat and Alabama banning all abortions.

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Post by alfor »

woodruffw wrote: post #236
alfor wrote: post #226

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How about people learn the consequences of sex instead of killing fetus? I would adopt a baby if it would save his life.

The “consequences” you’re glossing over here include rape (both forcible and statutory), fetuses who would die at childbirth anyways, who endanger the lives of their mothers, and so forth. There’s no single group of people who seek out abortions, and virtually nobody wants one in the abstract: they’re a means for preserving bodily autonomy and a necessary consequence of our legal respect for said autonomy.

Frow what I saw rape and serious medical condition account for close to 1% together.

You are left with the 99%: mostly a lazy and horrible way to do contraception.

Ok: abortion legal for that 1%, I would go with that no problem.

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Post by na85 »

alfor wrote: post #214
na85 wrote: post #203

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Why do you care what some random women you've never met and will never meet do? Why is it important to you?

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>Do you care if a random woman kill her newborn?

I honestly don't care. 20 murders happened on the other side of the planet while I typed this comment. I think it's sad, but it doesn't affect my life in any material way.

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Post by alar44 »

mch82 wrote: post #97
jleyank wrote: post #25

Ignoring abortion, I suspect that states without contraception, IVF or gay rights will be of less interest to a significant portion of the tech workforce. Companies would have to provide alternatives unless they want to limit their hiring to red state natives. Good argument for wfh to get talent that just won’t go there. Note that most contraceptives prevent implantation and IVF creates more embryos than needed. Both…

> suspect that states will be of less interest to a significant portion of the tech workforce. This is part of the stated plan: “Josh Hawley says abortion ruling will push people to move states, strengthening the GOP” https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article2... The sad thing is this comes right as remote work has the potential to do the opposite: bring Americans closer together by allowing more op…

No way. A ton of people, myself included, sees wfh as a ticket out of regressive hellholes.

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Post by Matheus28 »

Thorentis wrote: post #232
WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #229

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It's not a baby, it's a clump of cells just like the many most people shell or push out of their penis after a good wank.

Why does its location change whether it is a clump of cells?

It doesn't
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