Why Rust is a great choice for startups

Post by incrudible » Tue, Jun 14, 2022, 6:41 PM UTC

JoelMcCracken wrote: post #248

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I've seen this in action: A startup I did consulting work for had a "genius" who convinced management that everything should be written in Haskell. As a consequence building a team was painfully slow, so slow that some guy in a weekend recreated in node.js what their 15 people team had painstaking put together in 3 months. Turns out doing a web service with tools meant for it was better than "everything should be fun…

I'd really love to hear more details about those Haskell services. I'd put money on either the team not knowing Haskell when they started, or the "genius" was one of those completely impractical people who do type-level astronautics in Haskell.

Post by labrador » Tue, Jun 14, 2022, 6:46 PM UTC

Post by amelius » Tue, Jun 14, 2022, 7:27 PM UTC

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The entire way of coding in Rust revolves around satisfying the borrow checker. At some point it may become second nature, but you are still jumping through Rust's hoops, which will make your code full of compromises that would otherwise not exist.

So does the entire way of coding in any static-typed language, your code is full of compromises that would otherwise not exist in a dynamic-type language. Rust is just another layer of static typing.

Post by pjmlp » Tue, Jun 14, 2022, 7:56 PM UTC

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From the official "Maven in 5 Minutes" tutorial: mvn archetype:generate -DgroupId=com.mycompany.app -DartifactId=my-app -DarchetypeArtifactId=maven-archetype-quickstart -DarchetypeVersion=1.4 -DinteractiveMode=false From the official Rust lang book, Cargo section: cargo new my-project I guess it's a matter of taste...

I think it's worth making the distinction between Maven as a build tool and Maven as a package manager, because the latter I think does work quite well. I've had enough maven for a lifetime. Too much time spent fiddling with settings.xml files and m2 folders, debugging builds in enterprise environments with dozen module projects and a mix of internal and public dependencies.

Post by collaborative » Tue, Jun 14, 2022, 10:27 PM UTC

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FYI: If you're primarily IO-heavy, the GC pauses aren't going to be a big deal. Something like NodeJS (or Async .Net) will have great performance; even with garbage collection. (IO-heavy is the specific use case that NodeJS was designed to handle.) GC pauses really become a problem when you have long-lived objects in RAM. A generational GC (which pretty much all of them are) is designed to collect short-lived objects…

> FYI: If you're primarily IO-heavy, the GC pauses aren't going to be a big deal. Something like NodeJS (or Async .Net) will have great performance; even with garbage collection. (IO-heavy is the specific use case that NodeJS was designed to handle.) This just isn't true. Node is pretty terrible even at IO heavy workloads, especially if you have servers with many cores. Any benchmark will confirm this.