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We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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"Which country and city governments have a four-day work week?": https://buildremote.co/four-day-week/4-day-work-week-countri... I am surprised the lack of mention of Denmark, Sweden or the Netherlands. Most business persons I contact, normally only work 4 days a week.

Isn't this worse for people who rely on government services? (Without knowing the details)?

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Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Faster can mean less clock time (Zoom will almost always win) or less “involved” time - each person reads the thread and responds when they have time, which uses less of their time but more clock time. It can work either way, depends on the type of discussion. Often the best is to hash as much out in chat as you can and then meet to finalize.

The problem is it still requires mental load to switch in and out of that conversation. You also create inequality on the team since threads rewards the fastest to reply. This is a lot easier to manage on a Zoom call.

> still requires mental load to switch in and out of that conversation

In my experience, sitting through a boring meeting while trying to appear engaged is way more mentally draining.

> You also create inequality on the team

Actually, I see the opposite, that video conferencing favors the most extroverted.

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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At https://www.waiterio.com we are fully remote and we introduced 32 hours work weeks except for customer support which still does 40 hours a week. We track hours with hubstaff.com which takes a random screenshot every 10 minutes. It's been a mixed bag. Half of the team kept productivity up and logged those 32 hours stably. Another half of the team, when left unchecked went down to 14 hours a week and very low output…

Some people don't have a strong enough work ethic to be productive when left without direct supervision, but there's hardly a more obvious and intrusive way to say "We don't trust you" than to take a screenshot every 10 minutes. That would absolutely demolish my desire to work.

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Quick refresher on productivity in economic terms: decreasing inputs = decreasing outputs UNLESS tech or technique improves. During supply and/or debt driven inflationary periods (eg. now), increased productivity = increased supply and/or decreased debt. What do these maxims of economics mean for a 4 day work week? At Beacon, nothing*. But implement this at Tyson Foods, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Waste Management, the…

Factories don't shut down on the weekends, they just have different groups of people come in for different shifts. A 4-day work week would just mean that they have to hire more people to fill the hours. Productivity wouldn't fall, unless they wanted it to fall.

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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It was the fatal shift from "personnel" to "human resources".

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Fun for who? You? The people around you getting off on it? The HR employee who didn’t elect the name of the organization and who is just trying to get through a day like you are, and apparently has to put up with meme confrontations in the workplace?

There is not much that is more cringe than overhearing someone do this within earshot; it’s almost as bad as a joke everyone has heard and can predict while someone loudly stumbles through it a few cubes over. As described, you’re not funny, you’re just an asshole.

What form does this confrontation take, exactly? That might help clarify.

(I’m not in HR)

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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Strange how many orgs discover that working less hours or remote increases productivity for most people. It’s almost as if unstressed “workers” produce better quality work. There was an experiment whereby cows were shown to give more milk if not stressed. Certainly the same applies to humans. When will companies learn that milking their “workforce” of their energy doesnt yield the expected results but quite the oppos…

Business hierarchies are wired to advance those who sacrifice more and more of their life for the business. Those people then perpetuate the status quo by promoting those who are like them in that regard.

This is regarded as a feature, not a bug.

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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> Let's say you do need to attend a meeting. It's a 1 hour meeting. You're needed in the meeting. Go in and say you only have 20 mins. Every time I've tried this or seen it tried the meeting gets rescheduled and everyone's time is wasted. I wish it worked this way.

It also heavily favors the loud and self important who will force their way to the front and dominate the conversation. In an hour long meeting there is much more opportunity to give everyone several minutes to speak and have group discussion and deliberation. Now if your meeting can actually get done in 20 minutes, it probably should have been a phone call.

Well, most meetings are phone calls. Over time, I've seen more and more things default to 30 minutes whether meetings, presentations, or whatever. That's not to say that an hour isn't the right length for certain things, but it's reasonable to default to 30 minutes unless people think more time is needed.

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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You'll probably do better once you can retain people who reject employer surveillance.

You assume everyone is self-oriented and wants to be autonomous and have a great work ethics and care about their privacy. There are people like that. There are also people that want a lot of guidance. There are also people that just wants to be paid and don't really care much about the current job goals. There are also people that will do the bare-minumum they can to keep the job. Understanding who is who requires g…

Another sign of a low-trust organization: lots of managers to "keep an eye on" employees.

Re: We're moving to a four-day work week at Beacon

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When I joined an east coast computer company in the mid-80s, ties all the time were already gone for a lot of engineering positions (though more senior engineers and managers still tended to wear them). Suits were pretty standard for marketing for marketing and other business roles. Around the time you say, casual Fridays came in. The funny thing is the CEO got annoyed at one point because a lot of the engineers felt…

A company in my town still requires suit and tie for men, dresses or long skirts for women. If you leave your chair, you need to put your suit jacket on. You can take it off when sitting. The amount of money it would take for me to put up with such ancient, sexist and conformist bullshit is hard to imagine.

Basically every low-wage service worker puts up with it. Not suits, but often-ugly required work uniforms. At least suits and dresses look good.
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