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Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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> I wouldn't try frying eggs in a cast iron, for instance (technically you can, but it requires an absurd amount of oil). You need to learn how to season and care for cast iron. It doesn't take an absurd amount of oil, and the egg should slide out with ease.

Step 1: take an angle grinder to the pan and grind the pebbly surface to a smooth finish.

That's maybe step 4. Step one is going to home depo to find a food-safe angle grinder disk.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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Add dishwasher pods to the list. It’s literally just smoke and mirrors for nearly the same formula as powder, only less of it per package. All those fancy colors? It’s die. It’s the same formula across the entire pod. So… Yep: more cost, more waste, and it has some reasonable downsides. For “convenience,” since I guess deciding how much to put into the tray is just too much work. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll6-eGD…

I ditched pods some time ago and use powder now. I had an issue that occurred almost every time I used the dishwasher (with pods), it left things slightly smelly. Nothing major, other people didn’t really notice it but for me it was a major source of frustration. Powder got rid of the smell, and now I am a happy man. I can pick a glass from the cabin and it doesn’t smell like anything. Wish I had learned this 10 years ago when we got our first dishwasher, and it’s cheaper too!

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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>Other examples of products that seem to exhibit a similar trend, where purported convenience leads to higher prices >Cooking equipment: essentially indestructible Cast Iron skillets transition into teflon pans. The newer pans perform worse, and must be replaced on a shockingly regular basis. They also seem to be poisonous. They have their uses. I wouldn't try frying eggs in a cast iron, for instance (technically you…

> I wouldn't try frying eggs in a cast iron, for instance (technically you can, but it requires an absurd amount of oil). FWIW it's pretty easy to fry eggs in a cast iron. You do have to oil the pan, but I wouldn't call it absurd. Just a dollop of oil in the pan. And the end result has a crispy, yummy texture that's hard to achieve with Teflon. It just takes a little practice and an open mind.

how much is a "dollop"? Based on what I've seen[1][2], it requires significantly more oil than what I use with a non-stick. The first link definitely seems absurd to me.

[1] https://www.seriouseats.com/thmb/3KEyHXkLBbmzhHgp5P81odFcIR0...

[2] https://www.seriouseats.com/classic-over-easy-fried-eggs-rec...

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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I had to switch to a dual edge razor because of skin problems: I had a not so good combination of soft face skin and hard beard hairs. The multi blade razors are a scam, because you pass 4-5 blades at once on the skin instead of one, that will make your face all red. Oh, the shaving foam it’s expensive as week, but not even close to a real shaving soap in quality.

The power of marketing!

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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Add dishwasher pods to the list. It’s literally just smoke and mirrors for nearly the same formula as powder, only less of it per package. All those fancy colors? It’s die. It’s the same formula across the entire pod. So… Yep: more cost, more waste, and it has some reasonable downsides. For “convenience,” since I guess deciding how much to put into the tray is just too much work. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll6-eGD…

I watched this video and was very excited to try out the powder, since I’ve just been using the pods they sell at Costco for my entire adult life. But there are Problems. 1. You can’t find powder anywhere. Not a single grocery store near me sells it. Gel, sure. Pods, sure. Powder, not even Wal-mart had it, and they have everything. I finally found a faded and dented box at an Ace Hardware, where I wasn’t even looking…

For comparison, this is my experience:

1. Easily available at every grocery store for half the price of pods

2. I just leave the spout open and it's fine

3. It doesn't clump

4. Occasionally the door does fail to close but I quickly brush it off

The dishes are perfectly clean after a normal program, whereas the pods required me to use a three hour power wash program for the same result.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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> I wouldn't try frying eggs in a cast iron, for instance (technically you can, but it requires an absurd amount of oil). FWIW it's pretty easy to fry eggs in a cast iron. You do have to oil the pan, but I wouldn't call it absurd. Just a dollop of oil in the pan. And the end result has a crispy, yummy texture that's hard to achieve with Teflon. It just takes a little practice and an open mind.

Not only is it possible with a reasonable amount of oil in any cast iron pan, but with a very thin cast iron pan one can do it without oil even. Eggs start sticking with high heat and the thinner the metal the lower the heat needed to cook.

You probably want to use a wrought iron pan for that. They can be really cheap (starting from less than 10€), are indestructible (they don’t break if you drop them) and can be much thinner than cast iron. They are better for eggs, where you want to change the temperature during frying very quickly.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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You can cut yourself with a multi-blade razor too. The point is, little of the blade is actually exposed, so it won't be a serious injury. A straight edged razor, by contrast, is just a knife, that you actually can kill yourself with by slicing deep enough into your neck to take out a major artery. You can't do that with a safety/multi-edge razor.

With a "safety razor" you can really cut yourself. Surely it's my fault, but I don't want another visit to the E.R. I went back to Mach3, $30 per year is worth it to me compared to risking expensive emergency room visits.

I think you're confusing terms. A safety razor exposed no more of the blade than a cartridge razor. I think you're probably referring to a straight razor.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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You can get the cartridges to last quite a while if you strop them (as best you can) and keep them away from moisture when not in use. I have heard of some people just putting them in a tiny glass of mineral oil. That said for as often as I shave, a couple times a week, I switched to a safety razor and got a sampler of double sided blades years ago. I am just about out of blades now and you can get 100 for like 10$.

Isn't mineral oil now considered carcinogenic?

Oh wow, TIL.

More info here: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/is-mineral-oil-bad...

Relevant excerpt:

> When highly refined, mineral oils do not cause any adverse effects. However, if the petroleum is not highly refined, it may include polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), which are carcinogenic. This means it may increase the risk of cancer.

> A 2019 article notes that in Europe, companies are only allowed to use mineral oils in cosmetics if they comply with specific purity regulations regarding PAHs. These regulations and safety requirements ensure that the mineral oils go through the refining process to remove any substances that may cause cancer and reduce the presence of PAHs.

> However, according to the Campaign for Safe Cosmetics, the mineral oils used in the United States are not as refined as they are in Europe.

> As a result, people should avoid buying products that contain mineral oil unless the label states that it is fully refined as white petrolatum or white mineral oil. White mineral oil is highly purified and meets specifications to ensure that it is safe to use in over-the-counter products.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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>Other examples of products that seem to exhibit a similar trend, where purported convenience leads to higher prices >Cooking equipment: essentially indestructible Cast Iron skillets transition into teflon pans. The newer pans perform worse, and must be replaced on a shockingly regular basis. They also seem to be poisonous. They have their uses. I wouldn't try frying eggs in a cast iron, for instance (technically you…

> To my knowledge they're only poisonous during manufacturing Well, alright then. > and when they get too hot Oh… I dunno, but this seems to be a fairly likely failure mode for a pan.

>Oh… I dunno, but this seems to be a fairly likely failure mode for a pan.

"too hot" in this context means "higher than smoke points of most oils". Like I said, they have their uses. If you're frying an egg you're likely not heating your pan to the point of smoking, and I'm certainly not going to be searing meats on a non-stick.

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