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U.S. interest rates have soared everywhere but savings accounts

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Re: U.S. interest rates have soared everywhere but savings accounts

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After one year, I-bonds are pretty similar to savings accounts and they are indexed to inflation. Your money won't grow, but it won't shrink either -- and as Treasury bonds they are the lowest-risk investment that exists. If you buy some today, they will pay 7.12% for the next 6 months. After that they will probably be adjusted to pay even more, based on the current inflation rate. There are two major catches: you ha…

Where do you buy them?

Re: U.S. interest rates have soared everywhere but savings accounts

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post #261

After one year, I-bonds are pretty similar to savings accounts and they are indexed to inflation. Your money won't grow, but it won't shrink either -- and as Treasury bonds they are the lowest-risk investment that exists. If you buy some today, they will pay 7.12% for the next 6 months. After that they will probably be adjusted to pay even more, based on the current inflation rate. There are two major catches: you ha…

Where do you buy them?

https://treasurydirect.gov/indiv/research/indepth/ibonds/res...

Re: U.S. interest rates have soared everywhere but savings accounts

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> could argue that inflation increases the value of future income streams No?

They probably mean relatively, since there is no 'real' value for labor. we can only see a comparison between the price of labor today and the price of the same labor 20 years from now. Due to inflation, today's labor would be far less valuable in $ terms.

> price of labor today and the price of the same labor 20 years from now

Haircut today. Haircut in two decades. Which is more valuable to you now?

Re: U.S. interest rates have soared everywhere but savings accounts

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> go for I-Bonds instead Series I bonds promise a 0% real yield. TIPs [1] are currently offering between 0.5% and 1.6% of real yield [2]. Plus, no cap. [1] https://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/products/prod_tipsvsibo... [2] https://www.treasurydirect.gov/instit/annceresult/annceresul...

Where are you seeing real yield on TIPS? There is certainly that 0.125% positive fixed coupon rate subject to that principal inflation adjustment. Looking at https://www.treasurydirect.gov/instit/annceresult/annceresul... TIPS tab, all the recent auctions had a high yield of [1] https://tipswatch.com/2022/04/21/new-5-year-tips-auctions-wi...

You’re correct. Wish I could edit my original comment. Series I still beats TIPS.

Re: U.S. interest rates have soared everywhere but savings accounts

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> TIPS don't seem to have a rate that would protect me from inflation The TIP yield is a real yield. It's indexed to CPI-U, same as Series I bonds. (TIPs adjust monthly; Series I bonds semiannually.) > would convert a some portion of my savings into stablecoins This is probably the worst choice one can make. It's accepting a 0% nominal yield against an unregulated counterparty. A Bank of America savings account is li…

> > would convert a some portion of my savings into stablecoins > This is probably the worst choice one can make. It's accepting a 0% nominal yield against an unregulated counterparty. A Bank of America savings account is literally a better choice. you clipped out half the sentence: > I would convert a some portion of my savings into stablecoins and spread them out into some interest accounts to try to minimize count…

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Re: U.S. interest rates have soared everywhere but savings accounts

#266

Clickbait title, the fed rate went from 0.25% to 0.5% hardly soaring. Savings accounts previously paid like 0.04% according to article, that's because they need margin and they can keep them low cuz people won't swap banks for half a percent (not that it'll get there anytime soon)

> Clickbait title It's a (granted, well deserved) PR piece for Goldman Sachs. Their "popular consumer bank Marcus" is called out early for "offering individuals a yield in excess of 2%" in 2019. Its 50 bps is then compared to "Bank of America Corp.’s 0.04% or JPMorgan Chase & Co.’s 0.02%."

Marcus' savings rate shifted on friday from 0.5% oto 0.6%.

Re: U.S. interest rates have soared everywhere but savings accounts

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When everyone’s settled on maximizing the diversity of their investments, I wonder if the strategy loses viability as an effective hedge.

There will never be a point of time when "everyone" will do it, viz /r/wallstreetbets. It's been known that trying to pick individual stocks is generally a sucker's bet since (at least) 1973, but people still try to do it: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Random_Walk_Down_Wall_Street

Same with gambling.

You will never get really rich (100M+) without stock picking but you’re going to be better off in the average case by sticking to the index.

Similar to working for a startup vs working for a large corporation - working at a startup is like stock picking:)

Re: U.S. interest rates have soared everywhere but savings accounts

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Right now I-bonds are a pretty compelling down payment savings vehicle, at least for your first ~$15k/year, if your timeline is more than one year out.

If you have a tax refund for that last 5k right? Regardless it's per individual. So if married everyone make sure to double up!

Yes, though you can arbitrarily overpay to ensure you have a $5k refund.

Also note that the $5k in paper I-bonds is per return, not per individual. So Married Filing Joint only gets the $5k in paper I-bonds.

I'm told married couples can buy each other I-bonds as gifts, bringing the total up to $45k per couple. But I haven't tried it myself.

Re: U.S. interest rates have soared everywhere but savings accounts

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Serious question: inflation seems to only be getting higher (is it 8%+ now?) the Fed's increasing of the interest rate is causing a stock market crash. So if one puts their money into assets, those are decreasing in price due to the fed, and if someone is holding cash that's also going down in value due to inflation. What's the solution?

The solution is ask a real professional, not HN amateurs like me.

If you want my crank opinion though, at this stage in the economic cycle you should be in commodities. Sure, you're late to the party and they're going to make you ill with their volatility, but generally that's where you want to be now.

Other options are recession plays like consumer staples. Think about the things people will still have to buy or will downgrade to in a recession. I bought $BUD and $TAP because I think people will drink cheap beer. Cigarette companies are good if you have no conscience and can catch them on a downswing(they're already up). My $KHC bet I made 6 months ago is probably the best thing in my portfolio right now. You have to be prepared for days like last Friday when nearly every stock was down. People are fleeing to dollars, so actually having cash right now isn't a bad thing. Your cash already lost value. We may see a dollar squeeze as people flee to safety and the fed drains liquidity from the financial system before the dollar continues its downward slide(late this year?).

Everything depends on the threat of war right now. Not enough people are talking about the supply disruptions happening. 20% of the world's container ships are currently in traffic jams thanks to Chinese COVID paranoia. Russia, a major commodity supplier, is cut out of the Western financial system. Fertilizer and energy are spiking. Recession may have peaked but it will settle into a steady 5+% rate unless the fed grinds the economy to a halt.

War may already be happening behind the scenes. The FBI is now warning(https://www.ic3.gov/Media/News/2022/220420-2.pdf) of attacks on our food infrastructure, possibly connected to the rash of fires occurring at food processing plants(stuxnet being fed back to us?).

Indonesia just suspended palm oil exports. They make something like 60% of the global supply. Countries are becoming protectionist. We are reverting in some ways to a pre-globalist world.

Sweden and Finland are likely joining NATO. The tensions with Russia aren't going away anytime soon. Even though Putin looks to be in poor health, the Russian aggression is not purely a product of Putin but baked into the national identity of Russia's elites. Maybe a good play, despite already taking off, is defense industry stocks(Lockheed, Raytheon, etc). The world is entering a very unstable period.

One thing you should consider doing as well: buy things you'll need over the next year. They're only going to get harder to buy and they're going up in price. Like a certain brand of shampoo? Why not buy a year's worth. Stockpiling is horrible on a national level, but as an individual it will help you cope with some of the price increases while your dollars would otherwise be stagnating or decaying.

Lets hope the bond market is currently wrong, because they seem to be pricing in many more hikes than the fed thinks will need to happen. There is a risk that inflation becomes unhinged and spirals for a while. The West isn't prepared for that sort of financial doom scenario.

Re: U.S. interest rates have soared everywhere but savings accounts

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If you have a tax refund for that last 5k right? Regardless it's per individual. So if married everyone make sure to double up!

Trusts, LLC’s, and other businesses can also open up “entity accounts” at TreasuryDirect under their EIN’s, for buying up to $10k of I Bonds per year, or other types of treasuries. And those of us with kids under eighteen years old can open up “linked” minor sub-accounts in their names, which are linked to the parent’s primary account at TreasuryDirect but which can buy up to $10k of I Bonds per year in each child’s…

I bonds for children are considered irrevocable gifts, and the proceeds must be used for the benefit of the child (to do otherwise is considered tax fraud). Important context to know before purchasing.
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