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What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by ricardobeat »

c22 wrote: post #218
cafed00d wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - Apple can double speak all they want about digital privacy, but their actions tell the truth. As a paying Apple customer, you’re not deemed worthy enough to even understand how your own machines work, less even to “tamper” with their working, and who knows what data is actually being shared? > - Personally, I say no thank you. I’ve been on Debian or a variant for almost 10 years now, and haven’t looked back. It’s…

I've been using "linux on the desktop" exclusively for the last two decades and it's always curious to me when people complain about having to be a techno wizard to operate it because for at least the last 10 years I've pretty much had to configure nothing and everything from fancy displays to networked printers has worked without a hitch. I can honestly say that I'm not even sure where I would look to configure or t…

> having to be a techno wizard

> while I was building that first linux pc

> for every computer I've bought or built since then

> bit of research on driver compatibility

This is pretty self explanatory. Your expectation of what basic computer skills should be is way too high.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by jtbayly »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #243
jtbayly wrote: post #147

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So far you haven't given any evidence of what you claim, which is that this app is Apple implementing their client-side CSAM detection scheme and silently and secretly including it in Mac OS. No evidence at all. So I reiterate: Why should I believe you?

You just moved the goalposts. Please don’t reiterate obtuse questions when reasonable answers were delivered on a silver platter.

The original implication and still the claim is that this app is for the purposes he describes. "This may well be that implementation." There is no evidence of such.

I'm not moving the goal posts. I'm asking him if he has any evidence that this app is for CSAM detection. So far, I've yet to see any.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by mlyle »

rglullis wrote: post #258
mlyle wrote: post #239

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> But at least I am willing to call a failing as such. I think there's room in the world for closed offerings and open offerings, and that they each have their own advantages and contributions to the world (and their own risks). > The first step to redemption is to accept your own faults. P'raps calling most of the world "weak-willed" (which I notice you've stealth-edited your prior comment to soften) and implying th…

This is not about "open offerings" and "closed offerings". It is specifically about how little it takes for people to give away their freedoms. To wit, ~battery life~.

> It is specifically about how little it takes for people to give away their freedoms.

You frame it that way -- most people don't.

I like having a MacOS computer. Lots of daily things work better. Including battery life.

Linux still exists and I still use it elsewhere. If Apple turns evil, I can move to having a Linux laptop again and just be slightly more miserable.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by mst »

gotaquestion wrote: post #255
mst wrote: post #247

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Everything is about trade-offs. Since I can't meaningfully audit kernel level stuff anyway (not my area) I mostly care whether it works for me (or for the production purpose the customer needs or etc.) and that's not an ideal world but I choose to prioritise open source userspace contributions and running code. I also run windows 10 on a Thinkpad Helix 2 for my personal machine - with WSL to provide me an X11 environ…

It certainly is. I have Ubuntu 20.04 running on a Multiboot Yoga, an old Dell, and a MacBook Pro 2013 (because this is the only OS that will boot). I use both the default Gnome desktop, and sometimes switch to FVWM2 or MWM (mostly on VNC because I hate all the bells-and-whistles on Gnome). I hate using Linux on the actual laptop. The touchpad is always a trainwreck. Sensitivity and scroll speed/acceleration is infuri…

If I was using full-screen VNC I'd probably not mind MacOS in theory.

But I don't get on with touchpads (the apple ones are absolutely superior to anybody else's but it's just not my thing) and my wrists -really- don't get on with mice these days, so a trackpoint is pretty essential to my comfort.

Happily, I see the start menu sufficiently rarely that any presence of ads doesn't even register to me, and the login stuff is basically "meh" since it's (so far) stayed out of my way sufficiently for me not to care.

But that's my choice of trade-offs - may you have great joy out of yours :D

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by e2le »

gotaquestion wrote: post #148
koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

> It’s your machine, but the inner workings are this ineffable mystery. At some point, every machine's software becomes an ineffable mystery. Do you know what is going on in all your 3rd-party Linux drivers, say, from NVIDIA?

> Do you know what is going on in all your 3rd-party Linux drivers, say, from NVIDIA?

Sadly not because, like OSX, that software is proprietary and us filthy peasants are denied the honour of gazing upon the holy source code crafted by the holiest engineers, anointed by Huang himself.

Of course, that's assuming you don't download the Nvidia leak and gaze upon the source code within. That would be bad, you're bad for thinking it, don't do that. Only bad people would do that. May Huang have mercy on your soul.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by josteink »

gotaquestion wrote: post #179
grumbel wrote: post #173

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A system should only be a mystery in so far that you were too lazy to look up how exactly something works. Having "undocumented service" running wild should be unacceptable, even so it has become so common place. Linux isn't free of this, far too many times there is no man-page to tell you what something does, but at least you can dig into the source if you have to.

Not with 3rd party drivers. I think people fetishize the desire to have complete control, and it is a myth. I've been using Linux since 1997, and all the fighting for transparency has been a tempest in a teapot with no progress made at ALL. If people wanted to fight for it, stop using NVIDIA products, but do you see that happening? Not bloody likely. This isn't so much whataboutism as it is about trying to coerce an…

> If people wanted to fight for it, stop using NVIDIA products, but do you see that happening? Not bloody likely.

Why would I ever buy Nvidia? Asking as a non-AI developer who doesn’t play PC-games.

I’m perfectly happy with Intel graphics. I hear it has good, open-source drivers too.

Exactly what am I missing?

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by bostik »

ricardobeat wrote: post #261
c22 wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using "linux on the desktop" exclusively for the last two decades and it's always curious to me when people complain about having to be a techno wizard to operate it because for at least the last 10 years I've pretty much had to configure nothing and everything from fancy displays to networked printers has worked without a hitch. I can honestly say that I'm not even sure where I would look to configure or t…

> having to be a techno wizard > while I was building that first linux pc > for every computer I've bought or built since then > bit of research on driver compatibility This is pretty self explanatory. Your expectation of what basic computer skills should be is way too high.

I look at that the other way round: the average basic computer skill levels are insufferably low.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by smoldesu »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #168
prmoustache wrote: post #152

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> That's useless advice. Even Webcams from laptops as older as 6 years still don't work under Linux. Anything which has an Intel webcam for example is almost guaranteed not to work, outside of perhaps a couple of popular models (like MS Surface devices, and then not precisely "out of the box"). I have 5 laptops on linux at home, all but one being from a "pro" line (ie Lenovo thinkpad, HP elitebook, Dell latitude, all…

Any laptop that has a webcam connected to the intel chipset (the IPU) instead of USB UVC is basically unsupported under Linux. Most consumer laptops use the IPU (e.g. IdeaPads, Miix, HP Elites, Surfaces, all Chromebooks, etc. ), while most business lines use much more standarized USB UVC webcams. The reason is cost, as usual. USB UVC is basically a separate device; IPU webcam is much cheaper (processing is done on th…

I can confirm that Surface cameras work fine on Linux (even without a patched kernel), and Ideapad webcams that I've tried also work just fine. Not sure where you're getting this from, or if it's still an issue anymore.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by asdff »

1123581321 wrote: post #259
asdff wrote: post #245

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Where is this documentation? Can you demonstrate how to invoke a man page for a particular background daemon? e.g. an arbitrary process from launchctl list output?

just type man and then the name of the service in terminal, like you'd do for awk or vim. For example, man launchd man triald will report no manual entry, though.

I already know about launchd. I am talking about stuff like com.apple.geod and the dozens of other daemons running on my device. Where is that documented?

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by trelane »

philjohn wrote: post #234
c22 wrote: post #218

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I've been using "linux on the desktop" exclusively for the last two decades and it's always curious to me when people complain about having to be a techno wizard to operate it because for at least the last 10 years I've pretty much had to configure nothing and everything from fancy displays to networked printers has worked without a hitch. I can honestly say that I'm not even sure where I would look to configure or t…

> One thing I did do while I was building that first linux pc, and for every computer I've bought or built since then, was a tiny bit of research on driver compatibility. Just something as simple as typing ' linux compatability' into google And that's the reason you don't have problems - you're going for hardware/laptops that are well supported in Linux. Do you expect mom and pop to do the same? Versus buying somethi…

They don't put anything on anything. They buy Windows computers for Windows, and Mac computers for Mac. Summary, they would buy Linux computers for Linux. This isn't the 90s, or the 00's anymore.
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