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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by sandymcmurray »

Ourgon wrote: post #197
gerikson wrote: post #50

In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). Prominent among it was the phrase: > Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt. (Every message stating that resistance has ceased is false). No doubt something similar is stated in Ukraine. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/5-information-och-f...

An updated version of that section in the form of a booklet was distributed to every household a few years ago, the advice is mostly the same. Stay Alert! Trust no one! Keep your laser handy! (OK, that last one came from somewhere else).

"Stay Alert! Trust no one! Keep your laser handy!" is a quote from Paranoia, the role-playing game. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia_(role-playing_game)

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by mindslight »

rchaud wrote: post #253
mindslight wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump never came around to accepting Covid had to be dealt with (doing so would have easily given him a second term), and is just barely starting to condemn Putler. This idea that Trump masterfully chooses his positions based on popular effectiveness is highly overrated.

With him, everything was a calculation. Admitting COVID was a serious issue was thought to bring an end to the stock market boom, which was the big economic win for his re-election campaign. The market crashed anyway, before recovering ahead of the election. In any case, 2020 might be the first time enough voters realized that a bull run on Wall St doesn't move the needle much for their own economic well-being.

I don't see how this narrative makes sense, and seems to be yet another example of "4d chess". The market promptly dropped ~30% in March 2020 in response to Covid, but was then inflated with trillions of dollars of newly printed stimulus money. Which, as an aside, has finally filtered into the consumer economy causing much of the price inflation we've been suffering.

Realizing Covid wasn't going to go away and coming around to addressing Covid in June 2020 or so wouldn't have affected the market, which had already priced in Covid. But it would have made Trump an actual crisis-time leader with the corresponding popularity boost just from leading people through a difficult time - publicly validating the hardships everyone is feeling goes a long way. But instead, he dug his heels in opposition to how things were developing.

If anything, I think saying that Trump is a basic contrarian is a better predictor of his positions. The problem is that while our society has major flaws that make contrarian viewpoints compelling, contrarianism on its own does not produce useful reforms.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by lostgame »

peakaboo wrote: post #13
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

Try reddit, it's much faster than hacker news on these things.

I don't know that I can recommend Reddit as a legitimate news source. You'd really have to make sure you're hitting the right subreddits. :/

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by [deleted] »

Rastonbury wrote: post #117
gerikson wrote: post #50

In Swedish telephone directories there used to be a section entitled "Om kriget kommer" (If there's war). Prominent among it was the phrase: > Varje meddelande att motsåndet ska uppges är falskt. (Every message stating that resistance has ceased is false). No doubt something similar is stated in Ukraine. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/5-information-och-f...

Interesting! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_the_war_comes

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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by RobertMiller »

dncornholio wrote: post #229
RobertMiller wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The general class of 'They're pretending to be incompetent... as a trick!' theories about Russia all seem less likely by the day.

A trick? Doesn't make sense.. For what purpose? I think Russians have a really hard to to pretend to be weak, so for me this scenario was dead on arrival. I had the feeling Russia hasn't used their best men and equipment yet, which also seem less likely bu the day

There may be something to that with specific regards to jet aircraft, but even then I'm not convinced. More generally with regards to manpower, I think you're probably wrong. VDV have been ground up like cannon fodder repeatedly, and there are reports of redoubled conscription of Russian students. I don't think they're holding their best men back, I think they've already gotten their best men killed with little to show for it.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by avodonosov »

Jerrrry wrote: post #81
avodonosov wrote: post #74

Is there an easy way (online service or something) to distinguish audio deepfakes from real recordings? I'd like to check one war related audio recording.

GAN networks make this a flawed endeavor. you can train a network to detect it, then a network to convince it, ad nauseum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_adversarial_network

I was hoping some inevitable property of deep fakes, that could help detecting them.

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Post by rlonn »

hnarn wrote: post #248
Ourgon wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An updated version of that section in the form of a booklet was distributed to every household a few years ago, the advice is mostly the same. Stay Alert! Trust no one! Keep your laser handy! (OK, that last one came from somewhere else).

“Trust no one” is not what the newer or the older version of the pamphlet suggests, rather it quite correctly points out that during wartime the amount of misinformation can be expected to be massive, so you should be extra vigilant in verifying the source of the information. Trusting “no one” would imply a complete free-for-all which is hardly conducive to an effective defensive strategy.

The Computer wants you to be happy. If you are not happy, you may be used as reactor shielding. The Computer is crazy. The Computer is happy. The Computer will help you become happy. This will drive you crazy.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by cryptoegorophy »

penjelly wrote: post #160
fish45 wrote: post #19

Interestingly Zelensky might be easier to deepfake than other world leaders because there's more footage and a wider variety of facial expressions to train on due to his acting career

the video was pretty obviously fake though imo. i saw more real deepfakes 5 years ago

"imo" is the right word. Majority of people that are not so computer literate will think it is real.

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

ziml77 wrote: post #256
WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #246

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You did say exactly that. > it did raise some questions for me when a Russian bomb (that killed about 20 civilians) did its thing in Kyiv very close to a boulevard named after Bandera. Bandera is of course a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator. A bomb killed 20 civilians. Who the fuck cares if a street it fell onto was named after a war criminal? Makes it a legit target? So, let's carpet bomb all those Strada Ion An…

Where in the world are you getting it from that the name of the street made it ok to bomb? He's saying that he learned of the street because the Russians bombing it was newsworthy given that it killed 20 people. Then what followed from him learning that the street exists with the name Bandera, was him thinking that maybe there could be some support for Nazis still remaining in Ukraine. Similar to how seeing a street…

I'm going to spare a long explanation for you, but calling Ukrainians who refer to one another as "banderivets" and naming streets after Bandera "support for Nazis" is almost, if not entirely, equal to calling American Blacks who refer to one another as "nigga" "support for racism and slavery".
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