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We must return to an economy fueled by innovation, rather than disruption

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Re: We must return to an economy fueled by innovation, rather than disruption

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How do you pay your regular taxis in the UK?

Cash, card or tap and pay. I was paying taxis with card before Uber was a thing. US payment systems lag the rest of the world massively - particularly the UK

> Cash, card or tap and pay.

Still way more friction than Uber where you setup a payment method in the app once and no actual payment is ever required to the driver, pretty much anywhere in the world.

Also:

    1) how do you tell the driver where you want to go? I've found this to be a major PITA with many cab fares, especially if you drive to unusual destinations. I've met many a cab driver that simply are incapable of using google maps. Case in point: a month ago in a small European town where Uber is banned by the local thugs who run the town, I give my destination to the driver at the cab station, lo and behold, he proceeds to spending 10mn first asking and then arguing with his colleagues in the local patois how to get there. I tried to step in to show them on my phone, they basically ignore me, because they obviously know better. The fact that I;m in a hurry is the least of their concerns. Ugh.

    2) How easily and quickly can you get cabs to pick you up exactly where and when you want, especially if we're talking less than 10mn delay? In a big city like LON that might not be a problem, but from experience, and I'm talking about European capitals, and smaller cities in the US or Asia, this is *way* worse than the Uber experience.
As a matter of fact, an Uber ride requires zero interaction with the driver other than agreeing that you're the customer and he's the provider.

Quasi-frictionless and immediate, which - in my book - makes it a winner in spite of them having a despicable corporate culture.

The price considerations are a different conversation, but AFAIC, I'm certainly ready to pay more for an Uber to get to that frictionless transaction.

The day a cab ride is as easy to setup as an Uber ride, I'll very gladly stop using Uber.

But in most places, that simply isn't the case.

Re: We must return to an economy fueled by innovation, rather than disruption

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It's called a platform co-op and many exist, but it's hard to compete with VC money. Uber is losing money so I don't know think drivers want a slice of the profits.

What, if anything, is preventing for-profit platform co-ops from obtaining VC money and chasing a similar growth-to-unicorn curve? Is it just cultural inertia, i.e. nobody has tried yet?

If the purpose of the co-op is to ensure that profits go to the workers and not to company owners/investors, then either you plan to fail at that purpose or you're not interesting to the investors. If the lion's share of the operating profits would go to the investors, it's no better than Uber, if the lion's share of the operating profits would go to the drivers, then what's the motivation to invest?

Re: We must return to an economy fueled by innovation, rather than disruption

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> In the US, food insecurity has become an epidemic on college campuses. Difficult to the article seriously when reading this. (And I did follow the link to read the academic paper referenced. Though I am not in the field, I thought it was terrible. By defining food insecurity down and needlessly conflating categories it attempts to make a real problem seem worse than it is by viewing it through an ill conceived lens…

Yes, odd article.

They define "Low food security" as "reports of reduced quality, variety, or desirability of diet". Which sounds like a typical college meal plan to me: not particularly interesting or high quality. Calling it an "epidemic" seems to be implying something much worse.

Re: We must return to an economy fueled by innovation, rather than disruption

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I’ve been using delivery apps on and off for the past few months. Between the promos I’ve received, I’ve gotten groceries delivered for less than the items cost let alone the gas and time to deliver them. I’ve had multiple food items delivered at a lower cost than me walking there and buying in store as well. Talking to a few drivers for the companies - its tough, but they make a decent amount in the city (4-7k a mon…

> its tough It is so tough, like beyond just the general psychological toll of your rent being a gamified award, there is little reprieve. No vacation, no security at all. I have had so many jobs, and being a GrubHub deliverer is perhaps the most alienating, and in long term, exhausting ones ive had. I used to think "well at least people can have flexible jobs, use their vehicles", but these days I just so no reason…

I did grocery delivery for a while, and I agree that 'alienating' was a great term for it. Yeah, it was 'flexible', but I was doing it for money, so I ended up on a lot of 12AM-2AM runs for college students who wanted booze, since payouts were based on a.) how many drivers there were and b.) the cost of the order and booze meant more $$$$.

Re: We must return to an economy fueled by innovation, rather than disruption

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> I’ve never seen the need for Uber It's incredible spending time in the undeveloped/developing world - all the problems and solutions that "gig" apps supposedly are good for live on to this day all over the world. Need a place to stay? Ask around the village and someone will be more than happy for you to sleep in the spare room for $1/night. Need a ride? Wait where the locals are, you'll get in a communal "taxi" wit…

> Need a place to stay? Ask around the village and someone will be more than happy for you to sleep in the spare room for $1/night. Out of curiosity - where did you have such experience?

Also who are you and who were you traveling with? Because gotta say, as a female, I'm not staying in rando's spare rooms...

Re: We must return to an economy fueled by innovation, rather than disruption

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I heard the problem expressed as a good ideas shortage versus too much investment capital. Interest rates have been incredibly low since the 2008 banking crash, so where does the spare capital go? There's not enough innovative ideas around (that investors like) to absorb the money. So some of the cash is getting thrown at complete nonsense and the remaining good ideas are receiving excessive capital. So there's a lot…

It sounds more like a banking problem than an innovation problem.

We talk about these things like they are separate closed systems when they are not.

It is an innovation and banking problem. There are all kinds of feedback loops involved.

The ridiculous amount of liquidity in the global system changes and distorts risk preferences.

It also creates these giant sinks of brain power that are just moving money around. We have had amazing innovation the past twenty years in electronic markets, hedge funds, venture capital firms, cryptocurrency. Think of how much brain power is being wasted just modeling capital structures instead of something actually innovating because there is so much capital moving around that needs to be modeled.

How much brain power is being wasted at hedge funds? I have read hedge fund manager Jim Simons say he thinks he has the best research department in the world inside his hedge fund. It is not that much different than dedicating the best research department in the world to playing better poker. It is an utter waste of resources and we see it all around us with the complete lack of innovation.

Re: We must return to an economy fueled by innovation, rather than disruption

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It's called a platform co-op and many exist, but it's hard to compete with VC money. Uber is losing money so I don't know think drivers want a slice of the profits.

What, if anything, is preventing for-profit platform co-ops from obtaining VC money and chasing a similar growth-to-unicorn curve? Is it just cultural inertia, i.e. nobody has tried yet?

Based on my limited experience, VCs could be dissuaded from investing in co-ops by:

1. No prospects of a big payout (IPO, acquisition).

2. VCs like to have a single point-of-contact (the CEO) and few other owners. In a start-up, the CEO is answerable and serves only the investors. Co-ops behave more like a member-driven organization whose obligation is first and foremost to its members.

3. No option for majority ownership. A co-op eventually has to be majorly owned by the employees rather than by investors.

Re: We must return to an economy fueled by innovation, rather than disruption

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post #201

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Every week there are startups in Silicon Valley (and other places) building great products, getting more funding rounds, getting acquired, and going public. There are an infinite number of potential new market segments where the incumbent tech giants have no IP. Invent something new.

It's funny because they didn't talk about funding or getting acquired they talked about small groups of people inventing things. Whether that ideal was ever the norm or not, it's clear that it's not an important marker of a contemporary startup.

It's the individuals who invent the things that are truly the most worthwhile, and the small groups surrounding them who bring more prototypes into reality. The kinds of new things that can become universally desirable without so much actually needing to disrupt anything old or established.

The capitalists might still be able to offer the best leverage to approach universality, but 50 years ago their currency was drastically debased like everyone else up and down the food chain.

These are losses that have never been recovered, but it still left the surviving capitalists in much stronger financial control relative to everyone else. Millions more citizens of a quite smaller country were pushed downward into more survival-type activities in place of the structure which had allowed the benefits of increased productivity to trickle down. There was great pressure to reverse the flow of that wealth trickle, which eventually prevailed and grew exponentially, it became more & more of a "consumer economy", trickling up. Until the vast majority of individuals' generational resources that could be allocated to innovation have been tapped out along with all kinds of other stores of wealth which is the only way a recovery at the top could be expected possible in the fewest decades.

Capitalism is not the problem when it benevolently leverages innovation, the damage is done when it leverages greed. It does not have to be ugly if you can truly afford better, and have the conviction to carry it out.

But the more financial control and resources you have access to the more money you can always make doing carefully crafted financial deals involving existing wealth, most people in that position are less likely to accept something new anyway.

So you really need inspirational amounts of resources to permeate much deeper into the population because you need so many millions more people empowered to work more innovatively if they so choose, because that's where you find the potential to turn "nothing" into something to begin with. Very few will actually make the absolutely incredible breakthroughs, so you need millions to whom it is just plain more within reach.

Probably about like when a single-income semi-skilled paycheck could still support a homeowning or suburban family lifestyle. Even if it's not the suburban-living crowd you expect to be doing the innovating. Sheesh, that's about 50 years behind us too isn't it?

When Wells Fargo is sitting on kilos of gold, there's always going to be people who are so impressed that they can see no value in anything else. Especially not turning nothing into something, when there is so much wealth already accumulated there to desire or get their hands on in some much more expedient way. Even more so when almost nobody has any gold at all unless Wells Fargo shows up and puts some on the table. If there was ever really enough to go around, why you wouldn't need Wells Fargo at all anymore.

Re: We must return to an economy fueled by innovation, rather than disruption

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as a counterpoint, there were places like nyc where the cabs and black cars were very reliable, fast and cheap and there were both drivers and family owned black car bases that were keeping the overheads rather than see them sent elsewhere. many drivers were first generation immigrants.. owned homes in queens, were putting kids through college, looking at their name come up on the medallion wait-list in a few years a…

For some people, yes. Black folks routinely had issues getting cabs to pick them up, cabs would ask where you were going before you got in and then drive away if the answer was Harlem or outer boroughs, of course you could barely find a cab in the outer boroughs, everyone's credit card reader was "broken", etc. Meanwhile, many of those immigrants were working off of someone else's medallion for peanuts, so the medall…

the issue with black people getting yellow cabs in manhattan was real, but tlc would also vigorously enforce any complaints.

i think total rent for a car was something like $260/day and $280/day with medallion. (i think this also includes insurance)

remains to be seen whether this is better than encouraging drivers to go out and buy a late model car on personal credit.

regarding the boroughs, you had to know how to live in the city. any bodega, bar or restaurant would have the number for the nearest black car dispatch and would often call for you... pickup was usually within 5 minutes.

anecdotally: yellow cab drivers often seemed like financially stable professionals who were often raising families and in a good financial position. uber drivers always felt like temps. black car bases throughout the boroughs were often small and family owned. again this is anecdotal, but i like talking to people.

Re: We must return to an economy fueled by innovation, rather than disruption

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a counterpoint, there were places like nyc where the cabs and black cars were very reliable, fast and cheap and there were both drivers and family owned black car bases that were keeping the overheads rather than see them sent elsewhere. many drivers were first generation immigrants.. owned homes in queens, were putting kids through college, looking at their name come up on the medallion wait-list in a few years a…

The fact that medallions were so expensive that you could retire off owning one was the problem . There weren't enough taxis.

again, in the nyc market, it was fine, if not very good.

most drivers i spoke to seemed to like the medallions as they offered some long term investment potential and a sort of seniority reward. there was of course big capital at play, but drivers could have complained to the tlc... what can they do now? file a support ticket?

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