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Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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I really liked homework suggestions that (critically) included the answer key and walkthrough of solution! Doing problem sets in university without this made it way less valuable because you need the immediate feedback loop to learn and waiting until office hours or recitation takes too long and you forget. Good classes (from grade clarity perspective) were ones where it was clear what would be tested and how to prep…

In CS courses, I always appreciated when we were given access to the grading scripts/unit tests used by course staff. It made that feedback loop immediate, and unless you were intentionally doing something weird you usually knew exactly what grade you were getting for your submission. As a TA, it was funny to see the ways a few students would overfit those tests. In one extreme case I literally saw a student replace…

I'm currently dealing with a kind of similar situation, and honestly I find it a little odd -- I get questions from students which I'm pretty sure are honest and asked in good faith, but they seem to think they are very close to having solved the problem, despite having just over-fitted most of the tests.

It is possible that the problem is poorly written (I'm just a TA, I didn't write it, and it looks pretty clear to me), or it is possible that I'm just really gullible and they aren't actually asking in good faith (I'm a trusting person, but I've been doing this kind of work for a while and so I've seen most of the dishonest questions, this doesn't look like one to me). I dunno, I think I'll just chalk it up to the long tail of weirdness that can occur when dealing with a bunch of students.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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I think people find it very easy to judge parenting from the outside and/or with hindsight, whether their own or other peoples. I know that my children will wish I did things differently. Whether that is location, discipline, activities, internet access etc etc. I know they will wish I made more reasoned choices in the moment. That I was never tired, distracted, frustrated. That I let them spend their time as they wi…

I am glad you had a nice childhood. Now, would you try to be as understanding to children as to you to fellow parents. Being well intentioned and caring is the bare expected minimum. Why do we need to repeat this?

I am talking about adults judging other adults decision with hindsight and out of real time with time to reflect.

You are welcome to throw stones if it makes you feel better, but try not to get hit when one flies back through your window in a few years.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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Any visionary attempting to restructure traditional learning should read this, and I say that with no ounce of malice or sarcasm - its a nice hazard map, and it at least one constructive change that should be enacted: 1. Grades should be a continuum (percentage), not bins (A, B, C,..). "When you are forced to discretize into a small number of bins, injustice is inevitable." Report cards have no rational reason for no…

> Any visionary attempting to restructure traditional learning should read this, and I say that with no ounce of malice or sarcasm... On the contrary. Part of TFA’s point is that, like many other fields, outsiders usually have a much poorer idea than they think of the hows and whys of teaching. Until you’re actually in front of a classroom it’s not obvious why seemingly sensible ideas are often ineffective or unworka…

> On the contrary. Part of TFA’s point is that, like many other fields, outsiders usually have a much poorer idea than they think of the hows and whys of teaching.

So you're saying those attempting to restructure the classroom should not take into account this blog post? You seemed to fail to recognize the value of this blog post, or sharing knowledge in general: you give others an express pass to knowledge that you have gained through first hand experience. That is the meat of the article: common pitfalls new teachers trying new ideas fall into - if your goal is to change education you must experiment, and if you are going to experiment, this blog post is invaluable.

Forever more an experimenter attempting a classroom restructuring who read this post now has artificial first hand experience to draw from - to state that anyone attempting to do such a thing should ignore this piece and generate first hand experience is asking them now to retread mapped territory. Unless your prescription is that people shouldn't experiment - a notion which warrants no respect.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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I remember reading Harry Potter on Kindle, and Dumbledore had a line "Youth cannot know how age thinks and feels. But old men are guilty if they forget what it was to be young", and Kindle has this feature to show how many other readers have highlighted a sentence, and this sentence were highlighted by thousands. I guess they're all teenagers.

Harry Potter on Kindle readers are probably young adults.

HP on Kindle is my go-to-sleep-at-night book. I’m in early 40s.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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I feel the same with Wikipedia, the Norwegian articles are often better than the English ones because they often are shorter and to the point. I don’t want to read 2000 words for something that could be explained in under 100. Have been thinking of a 200word limit per article version of Wikipedia.

> Have been thinking of a 200word limit per article version of Wikipedia.

Hard limits are not a good solution either. They may still be better than the status quo though.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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I've often thought the same thing about becoming an adult, especially a parent, in general. There are so many choices that I harshly judged older people for making (how to allocate their time and money, where to live, what to allow or not allow the kids to do, how to behave at work, etc.) that I now find myself making as a married guy in my mid-30s with four kids. It makes me sad, but on each point I'm like, "Oh, now…

Sometimes I wonder how much we just repeat what our parents did instead of trying to find a better way, just because that's what we already know...

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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This perfectly describes my experience as a TA in graduate school. At first I didn't understand why my advisor insisted on being so precise in assignment instructions. Then when TAing with him I saw how students could creatively misinterpret instructions, even when I could not imagine how to make them more precise. An exception for the new case would be added to the next iteration of the assignments. I only understoo…

> class of 1400

Is it a normal thing in the west?

The largest class I’ve been part of in India had 105 students and I thought that was nuts. 1400 is like crazy to me.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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This writer seems more concerned with not being blamed than improving students' success rates. Why have homework grades? Well, if you don't, "they will blame you for not forcing them to do the homework." Why have deadlines? If you don't, they "blame you for not imposing deadlines on them." I get why someone would want to avoid blame or conflict, but it shouldn't influence what you're grading people on. His reasoning…

> 1. Classes are not better if everyone is talking and asking questions. Often, this actually causes class to move more slowly and cover less ground and questions would be better after class one on one.

Covering more material isn’t necessarily a good thing if students are not really understanding the material that’s already been presented. I personally and benefitted greatly from others asking questions. Sometimes the questions asked were not even things I considered. In my college classes that were purely lecture based where the prof didn’t allow interruptions, I certainly got more value out of studying with others because of the questions.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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So, I don't know where I read this (might have been here on HN) something like: If you create the rules for the pathological cases, then you're "optimizing" for those. Not for the majority. Whereas the pathological cases should be dealt exactly like those. Though sure, sometimes explanations can be better, but you can only play the game up to a point

On the other hand, if you don't address the pathological cases in writing, 90% of your time will be taken up by the 10% of people who rules-lawyer their way through life: Pointing out the lack of written clarity, complaining about 'hidden rules', writing a letter to object, appealing to your boss, appealing to boss's boss, lodging a formal complaint with leadership implying discrimination, getting actual lawyers invo…

Yeah that's why you can have a catch-all rule like "TA is conferred final discretion on evaluations"

Though as I said, some things are good to have in writing, if it's an exception that happens with some frequency or some corner case that's not as rare as thought

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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Maybe I was just unlucky, but that isn't my retroactive judgement on my childhood at all. My experience was one of mostly adults making me do something that is really down to subjective preference because that was their preference. And now that I'm an adult and can make my own choices I'm much happier about it.

If a rational and emotionally mature adult still believes that the decisions their parents made were bad then there’s a much higher chance that they’re correct (compared to when a kid believes such things)

Especially in like circumstances; that is, with regard to their own children.
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