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Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by duxup »

dev_by_day wrote: post #195
micromacrofoot wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please provide a single example of a media agency that is barred from publishing content because a "leftist" disagreed with it.

The Hunter Biden Laptop story was openly censored, even when put forward by a journalist with the Post and Biden has admitted that laptop may have been his. https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-con... https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/dou... Leftist bias at the intercept prevented Greenwald from publishing a story about it as well https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwal…

The story was ignored by some outlets because the story smelled rotten. They were right.

That’s their job.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by JAlexoid »

waffleiron wrote: post #160
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Not just America, in the EU right now: In Czechia up to 1 year for publicly supporting Russia (two people already detained): https://www.praguemorning.cz/expressing-support-for-russia-o... In Slovakia, supporting [Russian] war propaganda 10 to 25 years: https://spravy.rtvs.sk/2022/02/za-podporu-vojnovej-propagand... EU banned RT and Sputnik: "It shall be prohibited for operators to broadcast or to enable, facilitate…

Expressing support for war or denying genocide is indeed illegal in many countries.

RT and Sputnik are literally Russian government entities.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by Chris2048 »

pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Any forum with a substantial amount of an left/right leaning group will have people wanting to jail/punish journalists.

Describing media outlets he didn't like as "a war against .. media" is sensationalist. Saying this is "the same authoritarianism in different stages" is the same as saying getting angry is the same as genocide - "same anger in different stages" which is what ahs given rise to the draconian "literally Hitler" attitude to any dissent; This in itself is totalitarian.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by JAlexoid »

hunterb123 wrote: post #243
nouveaux wrote: post #242

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I've seen similar stories from nypost. I believe they broke the story but I haven't seen anything from WSJ. Can you post the WSJ articles on the story?

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by Chris2048 »

_ph_ wrote: post #35
akomtu wrote: post #31

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To be honest, the blue camp is different only in rhetoric: if the red wants control in the name of national security, the blue wants the same control in the name of grotesque moral rightnessess. Fake news is a good summary of our media today, it just applies to both camps.

As a non-american, I can see how some actions of the left seem to be a bit over the top and as things escalated might really got a bit extreme too. But is a push against racism, for gender equality, LGBT rights really wrong? Do you notice, how much people, who stand for those issues, get attacked in the public discussion?

> But is a push against racism, for gender equality, LGBT rights really wrong?

Framing it this way is misleading. "push back" that entails violent, harmful and illegal behaviour maybe wrong with total irrelevance to what you are trying to achieve.

> Do you notice, how much people, who stand for those issues, get attacked in the public discussion?

No, I see the opposite, to the extend that extreme virtue-signalling on these topics is met with no opposition, because no-one wants to be labelled an *-ist.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by JAlexoid »

jmull wrote: post #147
ch4s3 wrote: post #27

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That's not really a good comparison. Being an asshole to journalists if really different than putting them in jail for their reporting. The difference here is that some Republicans who have no power to actually do that talk shit about doing it, but Putin actually jails a lot of journalists.

It's pretty weird this comment is downvoted to being greyed out at the moment. As if it's wrong to point out that tweeting and a 15 year jail sentence are not equivalent. I can't understand what this means... are there really Russian vote-bots here or something?

Yes. This whole comments section is full of very specific posters.

There's a clear intent to derail and muffle.

Welcome to the world of Russian digital propaganda machine.

They even have puppet accounts arguing with each other, as was discovered by Russian media.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by dev_by_day »

duxup wrote: post #261
dev_by_day wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Hunter Biden Laptop story was openly censored, even when put forward by a journalist with the Post and Biden has admitted that laptop may have been his. https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-con... https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/dou... Leftist bias at the intercept prevented Greenwald from publishing a story about it as well https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwal…

The story was ignored by some outlets because the story smelled rotten. They were right. That’s their job.

How were they right? the story has been confirmed to be legitimate by organizations like politico and the guardian. Hunter Biden himself admitted the laptop may have been his.

"Rotten" because it looks bad and goes against your bias doesn't make it worthy of censorship. Social media censoring a NY post journalist over this was censorship. Period.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by duxup »

dev_by_day wrote: post #267
duxup wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The story was ignored by some outlets because the story smelled rotten. They were right. That’s their job.

How were they right? the story has been confirmed to be legitimate by organizations like politico and the guardian. Hunter Biden himself admitted the laptop may have been his. "Rotten" because it looks bad and goes against your bias doesn't make it worthy of censorship. Social media censoring a NY post journalist over this was censorship. Period.

“the story has been confirmed to be legitimate”

You tell me what part of the story you think is true.

A laptop existing isn’t the whole story right?

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by dev_by_day »

duxup wrote: post #268
dev_by_day wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How were they right? the story has been confirmed to be legitimate by organizations like politico and the guardian. Hunter Biden himself admitted the laptop may have been his. "Rotten" because it looks bad and goes against your bias doesn't make it worthy of censorship. Social media censoring a NY post journalist over this was censorship. Period.

“the story has been confirmed to be legitimate” You tell me what part of the story you think is true. A laptop existing isn’t the whole story right?

What I believe to be true is not my point, its that the story was credible enough to be discussed and should not have been censored. I would feel the same if these accusations had been levied at one of trumps family members as well.

The guardian goes more in depth on what aspects of hunter bidens business dealings are worth looking into(they discuss the laptop here as well): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/27/hunter-biden...

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by duxup »

dev_by_day wrote: post #269
duxup wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“the story has been confirmed to be legitimate” You tell me what part of the story you think is true. A laptop existing isn’t the whole story right?

What I believe to be true is not my point, its that the story was credible enough to be discussed and should not have been censored. I would feel the same if these accusations had been levied at one of trumps family members as well. The guardian goes more in depth on what aspects of hunter bidens business dealings are worth looking into(they discuss the laptop here as well): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/f…

All you’ve said is the laptop was his.

That’s not a story at all, and not the reason the story was rotten.

This reads like you’re not being very honest about the actual story that was being sold to news organizations.

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