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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by qwertox »

0a3feeb wrote: post #181
uejfiweun wrote: post #139

Does anyone have any projections for how this war will go? Is the Ukrainian military powerful? Will this turn into a guerilla war, or will it go the way of total war? Or will it result in total capitulation? And another key question. What will Western governments actually do? What if the war gets really bad? Does the West actually have the balls to put real, biting sanctions on the regime? And will this crash the eco…

Ukraine won't exist in 48 hours; the fact that the Azov battalion exists should be an indicator that very few will fight for the government.

Hmmm, I was wondering what RT (German version) [0] meant by Putin wanting to denazify the Ukraine ("Putin launches special military operation to protect Donbass and denazify Ukraine"). Since they (Azov) are headquartered in Donetsk Oblast, is it them who Putin wants to permanently remove right now, and is this his purpose for starting this war?

[0] https://de.rt.com/europa/132333-putin-verkundet-militarische...

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Post by 8note »

throwaway_4ever wrote: post #235
dukeofdoom wrote: post #174

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, it was looking for a little while like the West might make peace with Russia. In the post collapse of the Soviet Union, Billionaire Oligarchs emerged that controlled most of the business and finance while the Russian population was extremely poor. When the Russian judicial system went after a few of them, and specifically Mikhail Khodorkovsky, the US immediately started to sanc…

> blaming Putin for Trump winning the election What do you call it when the Russian state hacks the the political party institution in America before an election? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee_...

I'd call the Americans weak, and their system poor. It's not Russia's fault that American institutions are in decline

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Post by radu_floricica »

ginja wrote: post #6

I just woke up to this news and I'm wondering if it's possible for Apple and Google to brick all Russian phones? This would probably be more effective on their population at large than any form of sanctions.

Brick... is a bit much. But we should definitely shame any company that works with Russia in the next decade or so.

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Post by 8note »

osynavets wrote: post #115

Kharkiv, 25 miles to Russia. Just want to say that we are strong, we are confident about our army and I hope that everything will be fine. I'm sorry that I share content like this on this platform, but that's my reality

Good luck. I can't imagine how rough it's going to be.

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Post by thjkgfgrrioppo »

yks wrote: post #258
cglan wrote: post #3

It’s sad but my father always told me that the good times we’ve had are unprecedented and they can end faster than we think. I never believed him growing up, institutions and America seemed infallible. It’s sad to say but I think with global warming, covid, and the general decline of American soft power we’ll see more and more global turmoil My heart goes out to Ukraine and its people

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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by [deleted] »

pfisherman wrote: post #255
paxys wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is what Russia is doing in Ukraine right now too different from the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Actually reminds me a lot of the run up to Iraq ca 2003, which was a disaster for all involved. Who in the world looks at the US invasion of Iraq and thinks it was a good idea that should be emulated?

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Post by TestSIM1 »

reitanqild wrote: post #256
forlorn wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stay safe, brother, my thoughts and prayers are with you. I'm Russian and wholeheartedly despise this outrageous war crime act of our so-called government.

Hi Russian friends. Good to see you here and good to read your view. You might see me se me support Ukraine or be angry about Russia, but rest assured that I have nothing against Russians as a people, only the ones who tries to invade Ukraine etc. I'm living in the shadow of Russia too and I've just filled my spare water tanks with clean water and I'll fill my car and get some extra fuel for my cooking stove later to…

+1 to this.

Stay calm people and don't make any rush decisions.

The time's been worse. We'll make it.

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Post by thjkgfgrrioppo »

ripvanwinkle wrote: post #32

To some extent this situation feels analogous to a street mugging happening in very slow motion The thug accosts the victim, threatens and then proceeds to assault the victim in full view of a large number of bystanders who are numerous enough to defend the victim and alter the outcome but not convicted enough to take on the inconvenience of doing so. Nevertheless all the bystanders voice words of encouragement and s…

Couldn't it simply be true that Putin doesn't want Ukraine to join Nato and Ukraine is trying to join anyway?

Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack

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Post by erikig »

agumonkey wrote: post #197
cglan wrote: post #3

It’s sad but my father always told me that the good times we’ve had are unprecedented and they can end faster than we think. I never believed him growing up, institutions and America seemed infallible. It’s sad to say but I think with global warming, covid, and the general decline of American soft power we’ll see more and more global turmoil My heart goes out to Ukraine and its people

Good times breed bad times. PS: I agree about the feeling of infaillible institution and international order..

I don't know if it helpful during times like these but it sounds like the quote by G. Michael Hopf:

Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times

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