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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by croon »

verisimi wrote: post #215
wyattpeak wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you expect it to be similar to the flu? Covid is entirely unrelated to the flu. SARS killed fifteen percent of people who got it. Was that due to treatment, since the flu doesn't do that?

It's worth considering that the treatment could also be the cause of the blood clotting though. Do you agree?

> It's worth considering that the treatment could also be the cause of the blood clotting though. Do you agree?

No, the vaccine, being made from the virus, can give some side effects. Usually, these are the same but lesser side effects as the virus it self. This applies in this case too:

From [0] and [1]:

> There would be around 107 additional cases of thrombocytopenia—a form of rare blood clotting—and 66 cases of venous blood clots for every 10 million having their first AstraZeneca shot, according to the data, versus around 934 and 12,614 extra cases respectively for the same number of people after a Covid-19 infection.

191 times more likely to get venous blood clots from covid than from (in this study) Pfizer.

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/08/27/covid-inf...

[1] https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1931

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by 34679 »

lucd wrote: post #144
shermand89 wrote: post #122

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If there was such obvious nefarious and severe effects, pharmacovigilance would have seen it. Malone is one of the worst disinformer https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-m...

>One thing is clear about the revelation of the 2021 military epidemiological data and the military’s response to it: There is undoubtedly a public health and national security crisis in the military, and the Pentagon’s reaction only seems to be concerned with exonerating the vaccine, not fixing its own alleged problem.

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-pentagons-respon...

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by OskarS »

DwarvenAcademy wrote: post #94
isolli wrote: post #8

What I would like to know is, for young males (i.e. those who are most at risk of myocarditis after the vaccine), does the vaccine lessen cardiac risks in a subsequent infection or not?

I am 31 and got a heart attack caused by a blood clot last year. Had to undergo double bypass surgery. This happened two months after my second shot so every doctor dismissed the fact of it being related to the vaccine. I was fit and healthy, no smoking, no drinking, no drugs, and exercising regularly with no family history. I never had symptoms but maybe at some point I caught covid without knowing despite going out…

My brother passed away at 35 from an undiagnosed heart condition. He was in incredible physical shape and had run a half-marathon a few weeks earlier. He had never smoked, he drank moderately and he was a vegetarian. He had no history of any kind of heart problems (or any serious medical problems, in fact), but one day he felt dizzy and had trouble staying upright, so he took a sick day from work, took a nap and never woke up. This was in 2017.

It's certainly rare, but young fit people do have heart problems. You can't conclude that this had anything to do with the vaccine, this is not how science works. Certainly the long-term health effects of the vaccines should be studied, but bandying about these kinds of anecdotes is dangerous: it's the same kind of thing that has (wrongly!) convinced so many people that vaccines cause autism.

By the way, this is not to minimize what you went through, I cannot imagine how scary or painful it must've been. I hope you will have a strong path to recovery, and I wish you all the best.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by refurb »

wyattpeak wrote: post #202
verisimi wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Why would you expect it to be similar to the flu? Covid is entirely unrelated to the flu. SARS killed fifteen percent of people who got it. Was that due to treatment, since the flu doesn't do that?

People seem to underestimate complications of the flu.

What does the CDC say?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

Similarities: Both COVID-19 and flu can result in complications, including:

Pneumonia

Respiratory failure

Acute respiratory distress syndrome (fluid in the lungs)

Sepsis (a life-threatening illness caused by the body’s extreme response to an infection)

Cardiac injury (for example, heart attacks and stroke)

Multiple-organ failure (respiratory failure, kidney failure, shock)

Worsening of chronic medical conditions (involving the lungs, heart, or nervous system or diabetes)

Inflammation of the heart, brain, or muscle tissues

Secondary infections (bacterial or fungal infections that can occur in people who have already been infected with flu or COVID-19)

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by michaelmrose »

laurent92 wrote: post #98
kodah wrote: post #84

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I had Delta once. Prior to it I would ride 30 miles on my bike like it was a breezy day. When I'd take breaks to vacation or whatever I could pick back up easily. A year after COVID, I'm struggling to hit 20 miles and I lose my progress easily. I'm not sure it's COVID related, but nothing else has changed in my life.

Lockdowns have also broken everyone’s regular exercise and healthy habits. On charts we all assign this to Covid, but lockdowns were an artificial, additional decision.

The US lock down was a joke. Most places barely shut down gyms and that still leaves exercising at home and outdoor recreation as an option. We know that these people contracted a disease that damages the cardiovascular system. It stretches credibility past the breaking point to surmise that lock downs resulted in a meaningful portion of this mortality or morbidity.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by rei_ayanami »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #11
soperj wrote: post #5

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You've got billions of people worldwide who've been vaccinated. How many have had instances of heart failure?

Certainly an unusual number of incredibly fit Football players (>1), and an incredibly number (0) of American Football players.

And tennis players, standup comedians, nurses. Yeah, I agree.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by croon »

verisimi wrote: post #191
bpizzi wrote: post #132

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That's terrible, I hope you're recovering to the best possible. Do you happen to know what was your blood pressure prior to the heart attack, and/or your apob level? At least you should have it checked now (I assume that's what have been prescribe by your doctors). It is my understanding that it is more statistically sound to point the cause of a heart attack at your age to genetic/epigenetic factors instead of a pot…

"It is my understanding that it is more statistically sound to point the cause of a heart attack at your age to genetic/epigenetic factors instead of a potential coronavirus infection with no symptoms." He's saying that he has an effect 2 months after the vaccine. Is that not also worthy of consideration, or do you include it as an epigenetic factor?

Consider the billions of shots being taken. Consider the time frame of 2 months. Consider the fact that it was the second shot. Meaning it could have happened within 2 months of the first shot, and then there's a 4 month window of consideration.

What do you think is the prevalence of something happening to someone in a pool of, let's say, 4 billion people in 4 months.

I'm sure 2 separate people had a potted plant land on their head. Is it worth considering its relation to the vaccine?

I'm not saying it can't be related to vaccines, but as an anecdote it's useless until it's shown in statistics, or proven causality by his doctors.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by usrusr »

jcbrand wrote: post #241
doubleunplussed wrote: post #225

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Pre-omicron, it did. Australia and New Zealand were pretty much at the herd immunity threshold from vaccination, before even getting much third dose coverage or vaccinating children. Omicron is sufficiently immune-escaping that it changed that, but I continue to be surprised how many people don't realise that the vaccines were actually very effective at preventing infection and transmission for pre-omicron variants.…

There were breakthrough cases pre-omicron, but apparently less. What was very dishonest in the way this whole thing has been handled and portrayed is that Coronavirus vaccine escape-variants were completely foreseeable and therefore no surprise.

And still, the best backtrace we can find for omicron leads far away from any vaccinated populations. Just pointing out because your words seem to lean suggestively towards implying a causal relationship.

You know what might, perhaps have prevented omicron? The whole world going "China" January/February/March 2020. But only perhaps, because OG SarsCov2 was so capable of jumping between species that it would have likely just held out across any length of lockdown in animal populations. Try putting squirrels on lockdown...

Speaking of species, I'd love to see numbers about cross-species infection about delta and omicron: are they still jack of trades or did they lose that capability while acing human microbiology?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by wccrawford »

dTal wrote: post #226
mikevm wrote: post #200

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Ugh, do you not realize that the vaccine does not stop you from getting and transmitting the virus?

It probably does reduce transmission because it helps your body defeat it more rapidly, in some cases so quickly that you don't even notice you had it. More rapidly = less time to transmit it to other people.

I've seen reports that say that if you have Covid, you transmit it as easily as anyone else, regardless of vaccination status.

That is why we see so many people saying that the vaccines don't prevent you from spreading it.

However, if you're vaccinated, you're less likely to get it in the first place, so from a standing start, you're less likely to transmit it. And since at some point everyone was covid-free, this is the important scenario.

Nobody who knows they have the virus should knowingly go near another person except in an emergency. Nothing you do will protect that other person.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Post by madballster »

Many of the "Covid-19 increases risk of XYZ" popular media articles lack baseline comparisons to other virus infections. (Disclaimer: Yes, we know Covid-19 isn't the flu, and it's more deadly.) My point is: how much does heart-disease risk increase post-Covid compared to say post-Influenza? Is it comparable or is the risk magnitudes larger than with other virus infections? This is an important benchmark, I understand scientific journals don't cater to laypeople but popular media does.

From CDC website: "Studies have shown that flu illness is associated with an increase in heart attacks and stroke. A 2018 study found that the risk of having a heart attack was 6 times higher within a week of a confirmed flu infection."

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