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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by gkbrk »

scarface74 wrote: post #251
gkbrk wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why I see a cookie pop up on every damn web page I visit There is no regulation that requires every website to give you cookie pop-ups. If you are seeing that, it is because the websites you visit are trying to stalk you online and making the popups as painful as possible so you will dislike the regulations instead of asking them not to stalk you.

So now every website is doing some type of protest against regulation? It couldn’t possibly be that government is inept when it comes to understanding consequences of their legislation?

I don't know where you're getting "every website" from your previous reply and this one, but you can be certain that not every website is throwing cookie popups on their visitors.

The consequences of recent privacy laws is privacy-friendly services being able to compete easier because they're not subsidizing their costs by stalking their users and selling their data. If the government got such good results without even understanding the consequences, they must be very lucky.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by ecf »

Consider the situation if Apple didn’t require this in some way, shape, or form.

There’d be dozens of articles about your tech-unsavvy grandma and how they couldn’t unsubscribe the way they normally do, and would blame Apple for it.

I, for one, would not want to deal with the trouble of teaching my parents that some purchases in the App Store are through the App Store, and some aren’t.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by coder543 »

Grustaf wrote: post #252
unfocussed_mike wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The connection is that Apple don't break out their P&L for the App Store business, which clearly makes them a lot of money. They prefer to leave it buried in the iOS business. It suits them for the profitability of the App Store to be hard to observe as distinct from the sales of the devices themselves, and it supports the interpretation that they fudge around things that make them **loads of money by emphasising oth…

Obviously they make lots of money from the appstore. What's wrong with that?

Obviously Ma Bell makes lots of money from their telephone system. What's wrong with that?

There are limits to everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System

unfocussed_mike's point is that Apple has obfuscated App Store P&L for years to try to keep regulators from feeling obligated to step in. There's no other obvious explanation for why they would keep it secret from both investors and the courts, and "the purpose of a system is what it does."

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by brimble »

smoldesu wrote: post #233
brimble wrote: post #191

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Yeah, weird. I thought I was an (softish) Android fan who got converted to Apple by working at a place developing on both platforms, and being exposed daily to just how much wildly better an experience my phones and tablets could be. Guess I was wrong.

You're obviously entitled to your own opinions, but your experience as a software developer doesn't reflect the experiences or thought process of the average American at all.

It was both factors. Both user-stuff and developer-stuff were far more pleasant on i-devices. And because of testing needs, I got to use a huge range of devices from both ecosystems.

I don't develop in my spare time on my i-devices, so gain none of the benefits of the nicer development experience directly. I use them for tons of stuff, but I don't write personal software for them (never had a need to).

[EDIT] To head off any "but I think Android development is nicer"—most of the bad things about it don't kick in until you're working at (even smallish) scale. Much of it's due to the huge range of versions, customizations (Samsung's alternative web view implementation, say), and device capabilities in the wild. It's probably somewhat easier to develop for than iOS if you're targeting just your own device or small set of devices, are free to make the UI whatever you like rather than having to style it to be "on brand", et c.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by simion314 »

sashenka wrote: post #248
simion314 wrote: post #34

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I did not know about this. Clearly shows how Apple will fight to keep it's abuses on each country individually and each sector individually, EU needs to intervene and make this global for EU.

No thanks, keep this garbage in the Netherlands.

You are one that has issues coping with a choice screen?

Pay with Apple or Pay with X, what should I do ??? "BrainException, more then one choice presented, plkease call Apple or GNOME you are using software wrong"

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by Lammy »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #46

Modal before the Modal: “we are about to display a message required by Apple. We use a non-Apple payment provider that is also private and secure. Please tap Proceed to continue”

This is a somewhat common pattern in the world of game console homebrew where the hardware boot process requires a specific “produced by or under license” screen to be displayed, e.g. https://i.imgur.com/PN3QQE4.jpg

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by scarface74 »

gkbrk wrote: post #261
scarface74 wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So now every website is doing some type of protest against regulation? It couldn’t possibly be that government is inept when it comes to understanding consequences of their legislation?

I don't know where you're getting "every website" from your previous reply and this one, but you can be certain that not every website is throwing cookie popups on their visitors. The consequences of recent privacy laws is privacy-friendly services being able to compete easier because they're not subsidizing their costs by stalking their users and selling their data. If the government got such good results without ev…

Right because there is a privacy first open mobile operating open operating system that has become popular.

And a privacy first social network.

And a privacy first search engine that is profitable.

The government has solved what tech problem exactly?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by brimble »

smoldesu wrote: post #58
dariosalvi78 wrote: post #13

I wonder what's their reasoning here, it is obvious that this is will not satisfy anybody. Are they buying time? Or do they want to show that they are above everybody and don't try to mess with us (except if you're China of course)? We used to hate Microsoft for much less than this. I wonder how Apple can still have so many fans, even on this forum.

> We used to hate Microsoft for much less than this. I wonder how Apple can still have so many fans, even on this forum. If you build a lifestyle product, people can and will struggle to separate their own identity from the products they own. People take an insult on Apple like it's an insult on them , which is not a basis for healthy discourse in the slightest. We end up with apologist takes like "I actually like ha…

If all the folks who think Apple is all flash & marketing with no substance would get together and make products that are actually competitive with Apple's on substance, that'd be awesome and they might well get my business.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by skinkestek »

scarface74 wrote: post #251
gkbrk wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why I see a cookie pop up on every damn web page I visit There is no regulation that requires every website to give you cookie pop-ups. If you are seeing that, it is because the websites you visit are trying to stalk you online and making the popups as painful as possible so you will dislike the regulations instead of asking them not to stalk you.

So now every website is doing some type of protest against regulation? It couldn’t possibly be that government is inept when it comes to understanding consequences of their legislation?

Every website thinks they are smarter than EU.

In reality fines are already being written, Facebook is seeing the writing on the wall and is already now (this surprised me a bit) pulling the desperate "we'll take our toys and go home" card, hoping EU won't call their bluff.

Let's be clear here: most of these informed consent banners are invalid.

The rules are something like:

- default is opt out

- if a choice must be presented opting out should be the easiest choice

Besides they almost all are trying to hide sneaky stuff behind the "legitimate interest” clause, but in that case you don’t need to ask and an opt out would be meaningless.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by sangnoir »

asimpletune wrote: post #205
huhtenberg wrote: post #33

But, wait! It gets even better [1]: - Cannot also support IAP - Website links are all to a single URL specified in Info.plist with no parameters - Must submit monthly report to Apple listing EVERY external transaction All for measly 27% of the sales proceeds. A total steal. Apple's really jerking on the regulators' chain. I sure hope they continue in the same vein, because the fallout will be spectacular. [1] https:/…

It's just to stem any bleeding while they appeal.

Using the tail of a temperamental sleeping dog as a tourniquet may risk worse bleeding later.
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