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Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by sleepingadmin »

Barrin92 wrote: post #34

okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business. Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested? What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

>okay so this is an unlawful protest that has a detrimental impact on residents, the environment, and local business.

Could you elaborate on what makes the protest unlawful? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_assembly

If all it takes to invalidate this human right is a couple agent provocateur's causing some violence. Then protesting is essentially illegal for everyone. That's not how it works. Which is also why the ottawa police are backing off and saying the military has to do it. The military backed off saying nope.exe.

>Can someone explain to me why this is tolerated and why these people are not simply being arrested?

It's a peaceful protest that has every right to exist.

>What it reminds me of is that 2014 standoff with the Bundy family on federal land in the US or farmers in France. Some groups can just do whatever they want apparently.

https://notthebee.com/article/come-and-laugh-with-me-at-the-...

Many great videos on there that make it abundantly clear that the media has quite falsely mislabeled this lawful protest. If I might make a suggestion, analyze your media source's bias. You seem to be listening to the yellow journalism.

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Post by enchiridion »

mikeyouse wrote: post #232
hunterb123 wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, that's your perception of the world which is deluded by your ignorance of others. Also, you ignored the rest of my post to further live in your delusion of a racist enemy to play hero against.

I (loosely) know plenty of people who fly the confederate flag -- they're all awful shitty racists. Including some of my family members. They all claim it's for heritage reasons as well (which is weird because we're in "the north"). The rest of your post was some anecdotal observation that you've never seen a Gadsden flag next to a confederate one. Here's the Gadsden flown by secessionists in Civil War Georgia fighti…

Wow that is a well researched position, thanks for sharing. First of all I do think think all confederate flags should be retired. The confederate flags represent an enemy the US defeated. No American should feel pride about those flags.

However, you’ve provided image links with no context but your own. I am not sure what any of those images represented back in the time. I’m also having a hard time finding information to support your position. Additionally, the Alabama link looks like a bush maybe? Definitely do not see the Gadsden iconography, but maybe it’s just a bad scan.

I will say the Battle Hymn link is tenuous at best. The timber rattle snake on the flag is representative of the original rebellious 13 colonies (on the wiki if you want to read more). The rattlers are really only dangerous if stepped on, hence the phrase on the flag. In the hymn, “Crushing the snake under heal” has religious background, and represents extinguishing evil.

To me the flag represents that the people of this country have the right to oppose the government. That is a fundamental ideal in the US. In that context, it makes sense why some extreme fringe groups would co-opt the flag when opposing the government.

However, that does not mean the flag represents extremist views to the vast majority of people who like to fly it.

Finally, my original comment said it was disingenuous to associate the two so closely like you did. At least say “and” instead of “/“. Someone not so familiar might assume they are literally the same thing.

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Post by nitwit005 »

yonaguska wrote: post #257
nitwit005 wrote: post #136

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And you believe every single liberal agrees with that idea? You're just holding up a minority opinion and smearing the rest with it.

I don't think the protests were actually popular among every single liberal, but it was considered taboo to say anything against them. I lost several friends during this period, expressing my concerns about the protests, and more specifically the organization behind them. I was called an Uncle Tom. My former workplace hired outside therapists to attend to us people of color, and held special town halls and discussion…

I'll totally agree that it was a bit of a taboo to speak badly of the protests in some circles, but the enthusiasm for the whole thing quietly died among many people for exactly the reasons you describe.

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Post by pvg »

_-david-_ wrote: post #215
bryanlarsen wrote: post #190

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Justin LaFace, the Ontario leader, is a member of Soldiers of Odin. Alex King, one of the cofounders: https://twitter.com/VestsCanada/status/1159997274900041729

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theo...

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Post by mikeyouse »

enchiridion wrote: post #262
mikeyouse wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I (loosely) know plenty of people who fly the confederate flag -- they're all awful shitty racists. Including some of my family members. They all claim it's for heritage reasons as well (which is weird because we're in "the north"). The rest of your post was some anecdotal observation that you've never seen a Gadsden flag next to a confederate one. Here's the Gadsden flown by secessionists in Civil War Georgia fighti…

Wow that is a well researched position, thanks for sharing. First of all I do think think all confederate flags should be retired. The confederate flags represent an enemy the US defeated. No American should feel pride about those flags. However, you’ve provided image links with no context but your own. I am not sure what any of those images represented back in the time. I’m also having a hard time finding informatio…

The South co-opted the flag as a similar symbol of "opposing the government" like the Revolutionaries had, but in their case it was to oppose the abolition of slavery.

Here's a better pic of the Alabama flag -- it's a cotton plant with a snake under it and the phrase "noli me tangere" (touch me not): https://i.imgur.com/UIUZM4p.png

Here's South Carolina's secession flag: https://i.imgur.com/14Yuw3G.png

Another Georgia one that General Sherman captured: https://i.imgur.com/Hk41Xy7.jpg

Explicitly spelling it out with the serpent imagery "Slave states ... the only way of preserving our slave property [and] our liberty, is a union with each other": https://i.imgur.com/iHkVl0H.png

Union propaganda, "Down with the traitors serpent flag": https://i.imgur.com/A0wKKZx.png

Union envelopes: https://i.imgur.com/g7ljHSf.png

KKK adopting it to protest civil rights: https://i.imgur.com/uDq7IZ4.png

Flag proudly flies on the homepage of the largest white supremacist site on the internet: https://i.imgur.com/WWYL6T9.png

100% of confederate flag rallies will have Gadsdens flying and ~100% of extremists who attack the government will fly it too (From the Vegas killings: https://i.imgur.com/yHWJCM8.png, at the home of one of the extremists who plotted to execute Michigan's governor: https://www.mlive.com/resizer/OrmrIm147a1JxQUsKvBPGOdTt2U=/9..., at the Unite the Right rally: https://i.imgur.com/EG6roQa.jpg)

It's fine, you can fly whatever flag you want for whatever reason you want, just be aware that the literal worst people in the country are flying the same one and that it was the rallying symbol for slavers.

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Post by hunterb123 »

mikeyouse wrote: post #236
hunterb123 wrote: post #234

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> They all claim it's for heritage reasons But you know mindread better than what everyone else is thinking. I know plenty of people, plenty of music, plenty of shows (general lee), plenty of culture that involves the confederate flag without racism.

You don't see the irony in how you started off saying there's no relationship between the Gadsden flag and the Confederate flag (implying the former shouldn't be tainted by the latter) -- and then moved to a full-throated defense of the confederate flag? Anyway, if you can't see it, not sure what to tell you. Cheers.

I didn't move on, in the same post I both refuted your link of the two and informed you the reasons people fly both, neither for racism.

It's a flag. You aren't making the world a better place by crying imaginary racism. Go crusade something else to feel better.

You're one of those people who need religion but think you're too smart for it.

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Post by _-david-_ »

pvg wrote: post #264
_-david-_ wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theo...

Joe Biden literally said he wants immigration to replace whites and it is a good thing that the percentage of whites is shrinking.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4872045/user-clip-joe-biden-a...

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Post by _-david-_ »

BizarroLand wrote: post #164
SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW wrote: post #159

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are you going to keep that same energy next time some dude walks in with a nazi flag at every single protest you care about?

Yeah. It's easy to kick Nazi's out of the groups I join, because so far no group I've ever been a part of has been attractive to Nazis. I would wager that's the case for most people.

What happens if a non-nazi goes to an event and flies a Nazi flag to cause people to think you are a nazi

Re: GoFundMe pauses donations to Canada truckers

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Post by dang »

chroem- wrote: post #240
dang wrote: post #213

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Would you please stop posting ideological flamewar comments to HN? They're tedious, repetitive, and not at all what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Dang, I watched you single out all of my comments, and then later go back for a second pass to flag the other posters too after you read my profile description, so as to preserve the illusion of impartiality. Calling my posts "flamewar comments" implies I'm being uncivil, and this is how the HN echo chamber gets groomed. Please be more conscious of your own biases in the future.

What a sinister way of saying that I do things in sequence! Would I could do it in parallel—the time it would save—but my yogic powers don't go that far.

I didn't look at your profile description. I'm not moderating you, or anyone else, in particular. It's just a job, and quite routine.

Comments can be flamewar without being uncivil—there are lots of ways to spread flamewar. One is generic ideological rhetoric. Please stop posting like that here: it's boring, and makes HN threads much worse. We want curious conversation, and generic ideological rhetoric is the far opposite of that.

"Echo chamber" is the sort of thing people say when they imagine that the system, the moderators, and the community are biased against them. But the opposite team feels exactly the same way. It's a mechanical bias:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

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