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There's a company called Auth0, which was comprised of mostly Argentinians. They did quite well for themselves, they got bought out by Okta for 6b.
There's a very inspiring interview with the co-founder on the Changelog podcast. Highly recommended! Changelog Master Feed: Leading Auth0 to a $6.5 billion acquisition (Founders Talk #78) https://changelog.com/founderstalk/78
> ” If someone is very money-driven, there’s nothing we can do.” I am very far from “very money-driven”. I worked for a long time in the non-profit sector that would pay much less than mostly any of my other careers options. Then I changed to software development. I work for an American company from Brazil. I earn 5 times more (after taxes) that what I would likely earn in a local well-paying company for my level of…
Am Brazilian, used to work in a very big, well-paying company. It's astounding the amount of amazing talent that left the company during the 2 years I worked there (myself included [not that I'm amazing talent, I just got lucky]). There's no way Brazilian companies can keep up with the talent evasion going on in tech right now, specially because of the exchange rate of USD x BRL.
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Sturgeon's Law, 90% of everything is shit
Isn't that law basically saying that absolutes aren't 100% accurate?
Historically, it was a response to the argument that science fiction was a genre that didn't deserve to have any attention paid to it, because look how awful some science fiction books were. Sturgeon's response was that most science fiction books were terrible for the same reason that most work in every other genre, past, present, or future, is terrible.
Some anecdotal highlights:
- great time zone overlap with US business hours
- very very good English
- very strong engineers who actually take ownership of the products we’re working on
- leadership aspirations and drive - I’ve promoted a few folks to team lead positions
- shared culture that works in a similar way to US culture
I’ve hired about 50 Latin American devs as contractors over the last six months or so and they’ve all been absolutely top notch — I will continue to aggressively hire more. Some anecdotal highlights: - great time zone overlap with US business hours - very very good English - very strong engineers who actually take ownership of the products we’re working on - leadership aspirations and drive - I’ve promoted a few folk…
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Isn't that law basically saying that absolutes aren't 100% accurate?
No. It's saying exactly what it sounds like, that most of everything is at a very low level of quality. Historically, it was a response to the argument that science fiction was a genre that didn't deserve to have any attention paid to it, because look how awful some science fiction books were. Sturgeon's response was that most science fiction books were terrible for the same reason that most work in every other genre…
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Paying more money doesn't mean you're investing into entry level employees necessarily.
The goalposts are all over the place in this thread. These people must be working for terrible companies. Come and work for Shopify! We even partner with a university to offer year-round internships while you study for your degree. I regularly mentor juniors to build them up to research-level engineers.
yeah, they really are. no one said anything about terrible companies, smh.
What's the point of even hiring American tech talent anymore. For companies that still hire American engineers, are they really 3-4x better than engineers from countries where the average wage of software engineers is 3-4x less?
The headline says "pillaging," which is a kind of stealing by force. But actually (as the less editorialized HN headline says) what the US companies are doing is hiring Latin America's tech talent, paying a fair price instead of the shitty prices Latin American companies are used to paying. Unsurprisingly these companies think of Latin American developers as their property, so they see it as "pillaging". Because I'm…
> Governments often also see this as "pillaging", since they're answerable to powerful company founders who lose out, not the everyday people who benefit. In a lot of cases they put major roadblocks in the way of people who export technical services in this way.
There are salary differences w.r.t. Europe and the US as well but no one uses such language.
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I don't think it's a wrong way to think about things. Multiple ways of thinking about things are valid. It's possible that your bargaining position vis-a-vis the ERP company would be worse if you were an employee. But probably not if you were a founder. And surely the ERP company's bargaining position relative to your company is better than yours.
> It's possible that your bargaining position vis-a-vis the ERP company would be worse if you were an employee. But probably not if you were a founder. And surely the ERP company's bargaining position relative to your company is better than yours. I don't think that this is the case as the value they add comes with opinion entrenched in the belief of the path that their product should take. This opinion actually has…
What were the consequences for them of flat out refusing to do that work? What would the consequences be for you if you were to flat out refuse to do something similar? If they would be worse for you, as I suspect, that means their bargaining position is better than yours.
What does your management believe the consequences for them (the management) would be if the ERP company stopped working for them entirely, for example because they got out of the ERP market? What does your management believe the consequences for them would be if you quit? If they would be worse in the first case, as I suspect, that means their bargaining position is better than yours.
This is only loosely connected with how much value each of you actually contributes, which is what matters most in a moral sense. Unfortunately, how that value is distributed among stakeholders usually has more to do with how negotiations go than with how the value is created. Indeed, it's common for negotiations to happen in cases where the net value produced is actually negative, as in lawsuit settlement negotiations, and the question is not so much how to split the winnings as how to split the losses.