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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by jquery »

hrhrhrhrhr wrote: post #171
jquery wrote: post #134

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No, NAP is pretty clear. It's just some people treat it as a silver bullet, when it's only a fundamental building block. Libertarians are not against having contractual jurisdictions which would mandate being vaccinated on a certain territory, as long as you can quit that jurisdiction at any time. It's not clear that getting vaccinated would stop you from spreading the virus though.

> as long as you can quit that jurisdiction at any time.

Nobody is going door to door and arresting unvaccinated people. It’s not like the anti-choice law in Texas that criminalizes two people working together to stop a woman from being pregnant against her will. You still have your freedom under the NAP. But as soon as you present a threat to infect other people by being unvaccinated, there are reasonable restrictions in place.

Edit: I’m seeing replies saying the NAP is strictly about physical violence.

To that I ask, are bioweapons fine to use in libertarianland? Can I hold a city hostage with weaponized anthrax because the libertarianism is, at its root, a cover for voting Republican and not a coherent political philosophy?

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Post by bhickey »

kitd wrote: post #94
VoodooJuJu wrote: post #36

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The vaccines do work by diminishing severity of symptoms and thus reducing rate of hospitalization. The unvaccinated are banned as means to put social and financial pressure on individuals to get the vaccine. It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree. This social and financial pressure is placed on individuals because urban…

It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree. Vaccines absolutely do reduce transmission from the vaccinated outward. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/22...

Here's the underlying study: Vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 transmission to household contacts during dominance of Delta variant (B.1.617.2), the Netherlands, August to September 2021 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34738514/

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Post by q1w2 »

moralestapia wrote: post #161
guidovranken wrote: post #58

In other festive COVID news from Canada: >Canada's Justin Trudeau on the unvaccinated: >“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?" https://twitter.com/KevinBardosh/status/1476838517007257600 My patience with COVID cultists is starting to run quite thin.

>“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist [...] Whew, hyperbole of the year.

Lumping all the people you hate makes, and assuming they all share all the same negative characteristics, makes it easy to hate just anyone who doesn't agree with absolutely everything you say.

It's just another modern flavor of intolerance and authoritarianism.

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Post by klyrs »

moneywoes wrote: post #59
NoblePublius wrote: post #46

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There’s an Antarctic research station of entirely triple vaxxed people that is on complete lockdown now because most of them have Covid. I know 22 people who have gotten positive tests in the last two weeks, all vaccinated. Sports leagues practically 100% vaccinated and dozens and dozens and dozens of players out for Covid. I do not believe for one second any public health data today claiming only 1/5 new cases are v…

Rip the nba has been decimated by the virus. At what point do we just accept it?

Acceptance is not just giving up. Minimizing harm is the current goal.

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Post by MiroF »

axiosgunnar wrote: post #251
martythemaniak wrote: post #228

Breathtaking amount of ignorance in these comments. EI has never and will never cover voluntarily leaving a position. Don't want to meet basic sanitary requirements? You're free to leave.

Please don’t smoke then, as second hand smoke affects us not addicted to nicotine, when you are standing outside of a shop and I have to walk by past you

Good point. I would be in favor of a similar law regarding smoking as regarding being unvaccinated. You are free to smoke/be unvaccinated outside or in your home, but if you wish to enter an establishment or work in an enclosed space, you must not smoke/be unvaccinated.

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Post by ameister14 »

tdrdt wrote: post #166
maxerickson wrote: post #130

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There's no evidence that vaccination is hampering immune response. Among those infected with Omicron, hospitalization and intensive care rates are much higher in unvaccinated...

This is not what the stats are saying. And what about South-Africa with a vaccination rate of 26%?

>And what about South-Africa with a vaccination rate of 26%?

Just pointing out that JAMA says SA has a vaccination rate of 44.3% as of Dec 2021; if you're gonna attack statistics it's a good idea to have the right numbers.

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Post by MiroF »

yostrovs wrote: post #39

I've been asking friends that believe in such punishments whether they would have punished gay people in the 1990s that got AIDS. Condoms are extremely effective at preventing transmission. Invariably no one wants to go there. Gay people with AIDS that didn't use a condom are to be cried over in our society, while those with COVID that didn't take the vaccine are to be punished.

Beyond the other obvious problems with your comment, you're also missing the fact that many of the people dying of AIDS died 10+ years after contracting the virus, substantially before any of the science on HIV spread was settled.

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Post by iqanq »

ukj wrote: post #250
iqanq wrote: post #238

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Yes, personal freedom is to me infinitely more important than the health of others.

If that were true, and you were willing to allow me the same level of freedom as you demand for yourself then surely my freedom to harm you trumps your well-being?

Your freedom to attack me physically? No, because you don't have to do anything not to attack me - you just don't.

Your freedom not to get vaccinated? Evidently, since getting vaccinated is a medical procedure. I can't force you to go through it.

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Post by lostmsu »

ekianjo wrote: post #253
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> just as well citation needed for the full cycle: healthy -> contracted -> transmitted My current understanding is that at least the first step is hindered. See e.g. https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiOTAzYzY0NjktMWYwNC0... shows approximately 4.5x reduction of the chances to contract (and therefore to spread further).

you will have to explain how high vaccination countries suddenly get huge outbreaks of infections.

Will I? Show me the data for high vaccination outbreak size == low vaccination outbreak size. I think your opinion is based on unrelated data.

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Post by seneca »

MiroF wrote: post #213
FourthProtocol wrote: post #162

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I've been vaccinated 3 times. But. 5m out of 7 billion on Earth. The WHO is making rumblings of downgrading pandemic to endemic. Your body is all you really have so if someone chooses to not get vaccinated I believe that to be their (and my) right. I won't have that decision made for me and I won't make that decision for another, except my boy, who is too young to decide for himself. Just like my parents vaccinated m…

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This is absurd authoritarian double talk. That's like saying you're free to speak your mind, but you're also free to be executed for it.

The government punishing you for an action you take (including indirectly, but purposefully) is a pretty good starting point for a definition of not being free to do it.

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