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Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Me: Hesitation at last job moving absolutely everything (including backups) to AWS because if it goes down it's a problem I'm a firm believer in some kind of physical/easily accessible backup.

Coworkers: "You're an f'n idiot. Amazon and Facebook don't go down, you're holding us back!" Me: leaves cause that treatment was the final straw

Amazon and Facebook both go down within a month of each other, and supposedly they needed backups

Them: shocked pikachu face

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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Ok, enough AWS outages to say I'm tired of hearing about low end stuff being flaky.

"Don't use a self hosted monolithe, it's not reliable! You need a cloud FS with a load balancer under observability and your data in a db that scales horizontally, all orchestrated by kubs." Meanwhile, I currently have a gig to work on a video service which features a never updated centos 6, an unsupported python 2 blob website, and a push to prod deployment procedure, running a single postgres db serving streaming f…

Purely out of interest, I'd like to know more about your streaming architecture. I assume postgres just holds the meta data, and the actual video content is stored elsewhere? What strategies have you employed to scale the streaming part of your service? I imagine 4 million users a month is quite a significant amount of traffic!

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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I've built out many 42U racks in DC's in my time and there were a couple of rules that we never skipped: 1. Dual power in each server/device - One PSU was powered by one outlet, the other PSU by a different one with a different source meaning that we can lose a single power supply/circuit and nothing happens 2. Dual network (at minimum) - For the same reasons as above since the switches didn't always have dual power…

> I've only had a DC fail once when the engineer was performing work on the power circuitry for the DC and thought he was taking down one, but was in fact the wrong one and took both power circuits down at the same time. This is all local scale. Your setup would not survive a data center scale power outage. At scale power outages are datacenter scale. Data centers lose supply lines. They lose transformers. Sometimes…

"It is cheaper to design a system that must be up which accounts for a data center being totally down and a portion of the system being totally unavailable than to add more datacenter mitigations."

Citation needed - the same issue with testing, data races and expensive bandwidth come up.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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If you haven't seen yet, news is it was a power loss: > 5:01 AM PST We can confirm a loss of power within a single data center within a single Availability Zone (USE1-AZ4) in the US-EAST-1 Region. This is affecting availability and connectivity to EC2 instances that are part of the affected data center within the affected Availability Zone. We are also experiencing elevated RunInstance API error rates for launches wi…

This is quite interesting as they claim their datacenter design does better than Uptime's Tier3+ design requirements which require redundant power supply paths. [ https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/uptimeinstitute/ ]. I really hope they publish a thorough RCA for this incident.

"Electrical power systems are designed to be fully redundant so that in the event of a disruption, uninterruptible power supply units can be engaged for certain functions, while generators can provide backup power for the entire facility." https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/data-center/infrastructure...

So they have 2 different sources of power coming in. And generators. They do mention the UPS is only for "certain functions", so I guess it's not enough to handle full load while generators spin up if the 2 primaries go out. Or perhaps some failure in the source switching equipment (typically called a "static transfer switch").

Some detail on different approaches: https://www.donwil.com/wp-content/uploads/white-papers/Using...

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The prevailing wisdom throughout the last couple of years was: “ditch your on-prem infrastructure and migrate to a major cloud provider” And its starting to seem like it could be something like: “ditch your on-prem infrastructure and spin up your own managed cloud” This is probably untenable for larger orgs where convenience gets the blank check treatment, but for smaller operations that can’t realize that value at s…

Self-managed infrastructure doesn’t fail now?

We’re going to be having this same tired, pedantic, round-about conversation when Tesla’s routinely decide to take out a family of four because it mistook a plastic bag for an off-ramp.

Commenters will show up like clockwork and say shit like:

“What man, it’s not like cars didn’t crash before? Haha”

Don’t be dense dude. And definitely don’t pursue a leadership position anytime in the future.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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If you haven't seen yet, news is it was a power loss: > 5:01 AM PST We can confirm a loss of power within a single data center within a single Availability Zone (USE1-AZ4) in the US-EAST-1 Region. This is affecting availability and connectivity to EC2 instances that are part of the affected data center within the affected Availability Zone. We are also experiencing elevated RunInstance API error rates for launches wi…

How come they dont have power backups?

Some datacenter failures aren't related to redundancy. Some examples: 1) transfer switch failure where you can't switch over to backup generators and the UPS runs out, 2) someone accidentally hits the EOD, 3) maintenance work makes a mistake such as turning off the wrong circuits, 4) cooling doesn't switch over fully to backups and while your systems have power, its too hot to run. The list can go on and on.

I'm not sure why this is a big deal though, this is why Amazon has multiple AZ's. If your in one AZ, you take your chances.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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If you haven't seen yet, news is it was a power loss: > 5:01 AM PST We can confirm a loss of power within a single data center within a single Availability Zone (USE1-AZ4) in the US-EAST-1 Region. This is affecting availability and connectivity to EC2 instances that are part of the affected data center within the affected Availability Zone. We are also experiencing elevated RunInstance API error rates for launches wi…

How come they dont have power backups?

Their datacenter(s) aren’t magic because they are AWS. That facility is probably a decade old and like anything else as it ages the technical and maintenance debt makes management more challenging.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Satire is the loophole of Copyright. If you satire ANYTHING you can use their copyrights in the satire. One could safely and legally drive an entire nation's transportation industry thru that loophole.

No, fair use does NOT allow you to retain the original copyright. That would be passing off a derived work as the original copyright holder's work, which could be very damaging. This is a violation of fair use, if it could even be considered that to begin with.

Fair use in the case of satire is not retaining the original copyright, it is referencing the copyright. It is a legal split hair, but it stands in court.

Re: Tell HN: AWS appears to be down again

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I should blog about this one day but... I have a server at OVH (not affiliated to them) which, at this point, I keep only for fun. It has 3162 days of uptime as I type this. 3 162 days. That's 8 years+ of uptime. Does it have the traffic of Amazon? No. Is it secure? Very likely not: it's running an old Debian version (Debian 7, which came out in, well, 2013). It only has one port opened though, SSH. And with quite a…

> Like that one time I solve LCS35 by computing for about four years on commodity hardware at home. Awesome! Are you Bernard Fabrot [0]? [0] https://www.csail.mit.edu/news/programmers-solve-mits-20-yea...

Yup that's me... I fear this (old by now) story blew my "tacticalcoder" cover.
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