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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

ollien wrote: post #116
TT-392 wrote: post #74

The youtube automatically deleting comments thing is strange, it happens to me quite often for no clear reason. I once left a commend on a veritasium vid where I got something wrong. Replies kept coming about what I got wrong. But anytime I edited the comment, or leaving a reply myself. The exact thing happened to my edits or replies as happened in the video. It is not like I can't leave comments anywhere like the gu…

Google does this as a whole, IME. A body shop did a really shoddy repair and when I went to check my review later, it was gone. I don't understand why; it shows when I'm logged into the original Google account, but not otherwise.

There was a data-center that recently sent out an alert for a rather amusing sort of non service impacting issue but something that you'd want to warn anyone who'd need to visit about. I decided to leave a 5-star review that said they were great except for a comically worded reference to the issue and included a screenshot of the issue notification. Same story, only shows up when I'm logged in. I assume I used some key word that their AI didn't like.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by jrockway »

ollien wrote: post #116
TT-392 wrote: post #74

The youtube automatically deleting comments thing is strange, it happens to me quite often for no clear reason. I once left a commend on a veritasium vid where I got something wrong. Replies kept coming about what I got wrong. But anytime I edited the comment, or leaving a reply myself. The exact thing happened to my edits or replies as happened in the video. It is not like I can't leave comments anywhere like the gu…

Google does this as a whole, IME. A body shop did a really shoddy repair and when I went to check my review later, it was gone. I don't understand why; it shows when I'm logged into the original Google account, but not otherwise.

That's just all online reviews. I have never trusted them since I did a review of some LED light bulbs on Amazon. They were green and buzzed. I gave them one star, talked about the color rendering problems, and uploaded a screenshot of my spectrophotometer readout so that you could see just how green they were. Amazon sent me an email saying that didn't meet their community guidelines. Meanwhile, a bunch of 5 star reviews from similar sounding misspelled common names remain up!

My takeaway is that I've minimized my interactions with Amazon's fake reviews. I don't trust them, and if I need something "for real" (not on a whim), I just go to a reputable vendor instead of "Aliexpress but with 100% markup". (The reputable vendor still marks things up by 100%, of course, but at least they're not Amazon.)

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by gy4ey665t »

kzrdude wrote: post #139
hirundo wrote: post #81

Hacker News has a similar problem with comments: net_votes = up_votes - down_votes You need at least two of the above variables to get an idea of both the direction and magnitude of the voting. Hacker News provides only one: net_votes. YouTube used to provide up_votes and down_votes, effectively providing all three. Now YouTube has reduced its information to up_votes, so they're now down to one variable in the equati…

Moderation here is quite opionated, isn't it? I would guess that it's a very conscious choice to not show votes or downvotes, since it makes commenter interaction even more contentious. I like it the way it is.

Hacker News is the most heavily moderated, manipulated and astro-turned forum I've even seen, but you don't realize that until the mods start suppressing your posts and comments. Titles are constantly edited for no apparent reason, users who post unpopular facts are permanently penalized, and you can watch as negative stories about large tech companies are quickly flagged off the front page.

There's zero transparency here. At least on sites like Reddit you can track the censorship in real time.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by kristopolous »

alisonkisk wrote: post #222
kristopolous wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest Long running project of mine. "Corporate change bounties". Customers leave some supplier and then state why and somehow demonstrate how much cash has exited with them as a customer. Here's an example. Let's say att lobbies hard against net neutrality and customers were fed up and left. They could go to t…

New ideas aren't a hard sell. Cumbersome ideas that cost more than the benefit are a hard sell.

I believe it was one of Steve Blank's fairly complicated books that differentiated different kinds of new[1]

Simplifying dramatically, there's new solutions to acknowledged problems and unacknowledged problems.

What you say satisfies the first one.

The unacknowledged problem requires you to first connect desperate ideas and consolidate them together in the prospect's mind. Then you need to convince them that it's a suboptimal state of affairs. Then you need to convince them that an amelioration is attainable. Then you need to convince them that you provide it.

Contrast this to the first one. The prospect knows things are suboptimal, has a current insufficient remedy and is open to a better one. You need to convince them that you provide it.

That's way way easier - like orders of magnitude, a "completely different problem domain" kind of easier (It's worth noting that elevator pitch templates address the easier type of new)

Next task, solve the first one in under 5 or so seconds of exposure: connect ideas, show it's a problem, demonstrate the mechanism, and propose a plausible solution that's easy to participate in.

Maybe that's trivial for you but I personally have very little aptitude for that and struggle immensely with it

[1] all those startup books become a giant soup after you read a bunch so sorry if this was like Moore or Christensen, I think it's Blank. If anyone remembers exactly where this was I'd love to find it again.

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Post by glandium »

travisd wrote: post #90
1_player wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok is targeting a different type of content, there is no competition with YouTube as we know it, which is videos longer than 10 minutes.

YouTube now has “shorts” but it’s definitely not the same since they aren’t able to emulate the TikTok culture.

And yet, when you see the number of views shorts get compared to other content on Youtube, you could conclude that it's a success for Youtube...

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Post by simonsarris »

uh_uh wrote: post #204
simonsarris wrote: post #163

Looking at a lot of timber framing technique videos this week and realized how badly I miss the dislike as a signal that the video-taker is doing something wrong or dangerous.

It's frightening to think that this decision from YouTube might literally end up killing some people. Given the userbase of YouTube, I don't think this is a hyperbole, as unlikely events become likely once the number of samples is high enough.

Yeah, for chain-sawing videos it was VERY helpful. Although in egregious cases usually there are a few comments warning the viewer as well.

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Post by klyrs »

oh_sigh wrote: post #184
klyrs wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you go to the store, demand a Big Mac, and complain to all present that the Big Mac got cancelled, then they'd ask you to leave. And, sure, folks would be upset about being asked to leave.

Yes, and if McDonalds saw tens of thousands of people complaining that the Big Mac got cancelled, they might decide to uncancel it.

Or they might hold the line. Corporate execs got their agendas (egos)

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Post by ronnier »

1_player wrote: post #18
BitwiseFool wrote: post #6

I really hope this backfires spectacularly on YouTube and the zealots who pushed for this change are held professionally accountable. I already click on fewer videos in search results and recommendations because I can no longer gauge how worthwhile they are to try and watch. The end result? I'm sticking to my current channels. I can't be alone and knowing that YouTube takes recommended content so seriously, I have to…

Youtube doesn't f*** care. Where are you going to go watch your favorite content creators? Oh, they only upload on our platform? Thought so. They can do whatever they want and they won't lose a single user. In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest, while I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they ge…

TikTok will be what takes down youtube. It'll happen.

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #138
Apocryphon wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing as Facebook/Instagram Reels, another attempt to blatantly clone a rival platform.

Like TikTok cloning Vine? :)

Which Twitter bought and promptly shit down. I never understood it; Vine was hugely popular (I was in college at the time, such things tend to spread pretty rapidly on a college campus), even getting celebrity attention. I really questioned the idea that Twitter couldn’t make the product work when we see TikTok doing just that. I guess Vine was, literally, ahead of its time.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by charcircuit »

uh_uh wrote: post #198
godshatter wrote: post #178

Likes and dislikes are a horrible way to judge a video, ime. I don't know who liked or disliked a video or for what reasons. A like by someone may be a good reason for me to watch the video where a like by someone else might be an excellent reason not to watch it. Similar for dislikes. Of the two, I guess I prefer likes. People who dislike videos are usually upset about something specific, often things I don't really…

> I do the unthinkable and just give it a go for a few minutes You do this on a societal level and you waste centuries. There's no need for thousands of people to watch a few minutes of a bad DIY video to conclude that it's crap.

>You do this on a societal level and you waste centuries.

What you are missing is that YouTube recommends videos that you will likely enjoy. YouTube's recommendations try to minimize this waste.

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