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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by throoo0ooowaway »

ryan_lane wrote: post #255
throoo0ooowaway wrote: post #248

I recently went through the interview processes for FB and another (non-FAANG) company mentioned elsewhere in this thread, and it was stunning how different the processes were. The recruiter for FB was incapable of conveying the simplest information in a period of time less than 30 minutes and constantly seemed to misremember what information they had already given me; they were constantly setting (and missing) deadl…

The negotiating without an offer thing is a normal (and very annoying) tactic used by recruiters to give you an offer that you immediately accept, while being able to avoid giving you an actual offer that you may reject. Recruiters have metrics they need to hit that include acceptance/rejection on offers, and this is a way they juice their metrics.

I gave FB the exact breakdown of my other offer with plenty of time to react to it, and got only silence in response. They had all the tools to put together a superior compensation package and just didn't.

(It's possible that based on my interview performance, FB didn't want to match the level I was offered at the other company. But if that were the case, you'd think they would cut bait and move onto a more promising candidate rather than half-assing an attempt to get me to join regardless.)

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by ignoramous »

jensensbutton wrote: post #211
lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

I don't know, I think if you're interested in VR/AR, wearables, computer vision, building products for the "creator" generation, or even crypto (Novi) then FB/Meta probably has the best work pitch of all the FAANGs.

Sorry to go a bit meta. I can't help but notice that a reply to comment that mentions F1, is from a user handle named Jensen Button.

As long as it isn't GPT-3... (:

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by filoleg »

Infinitesimus wrote: post #258
filoleg wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fully agreed with your comment, but I wanted to correct one small thing regarding vesting schedule. Recently, it seems like Amazon started to offset their poor vesting schedule in the first 2 years by giving the matching amount of cash bonus for those years of reduced vest. So technically, you still get only 5%/15% vested during your first two years, but with enough cash bonus for those two years to essentially make…

Amazon has had a large cash comp for years 1 and 2 for a very long time. It's not new because of covid at all.

My bad, it could have been not new, but I've literally never heard of it until last year. Could have definitely been just me living under a rock, so I appreciate the clarification.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by aannhhajj »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #45

I have to wonder if job satisfaction at Facebook has a very binomial distribution. This is pretty much true at any large corp, where there can be a ton of variation between teams, but from the outside looking in it seems that Facebook basically has a dichotomy: On one hand you have teams working on interesting and industry-leading tech, like React, GraphQL, Oculus, etc. But on the other you have legions of people wor…

I think it totally depends on the team.

I am a senior IC. I went from Google to FB for L+1. The salary increase alone was enough to convince me. Personally I don't think GOOG is much better than FB (if they are better at all) in all the areas in which people on HN complain.

I heard some horror stories about FB Work/Life balance before I came here. Turns out I work 10-15 hours a week less than when I was at Google, in a much better org, on problems I care about. Beyond my immediate manager (who at GOOG was great too), FB leadership chain is far better throughout my org except for one other person at GOOG. In my GOOG org people were constantly promoted and rewarded for the wrong things.

FB let me go through weeks of trying out teams before I selected one. Google put me on a team, told me nothing about it, and I had no idea what team it even was until the end of the first day when my manager picked me up.

Not really worried about the performance reviews a comment mentioned above since GOOG has the same (actually in my experience worse there).

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by vmception »

bottle_roket wrote: post #229

I’m a FB employee and I’m giving my notice tomorrow. I interviewed with them in 2019 just so I could get a competing offer and had no intention of working there, but at the end of my interviewing run they were the only offer I had. It was 2x my current salary and it was too hard to turn it down when the money was right there in front of me. I had sincere moral issues with the company but I convinced myself their wors…

> I’ve learned that money isn’t enough to keep me going in the face of giving 0 fucks about the company mission.

(Anymore)

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by andreilys »

ramimac wrote: post #240
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I've been seeing responses to people working FB have been horrible since for a while now. This might be more indicative of your bubble than anything. Facebook isn’t having a hard time hiring, despite whatever the headlines are trying to imply. There will always be a steady stream of applicants for high paying FAANG jobs. Being able to choose exactly which ultra-high-paying tech job you take or being able to wal…

Curious if you'd contradict recent coverage corroborating reports that FB isn't hitting hiring targets? https://www.protocol.com/workplace/facebook-docs-hiring-recr...

Hiring engineering talent is hard across the board. I can guarantee you that FB isn't the only one who isn't hitting hiring targets.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by vmception »

goldenManatee wrote: post #235
bottle_roket wrote: post #229

I’m a FB employee and I’m giving my notice tomorrow. I interviewed with them in 2019 just so I could get a competing offer and had no intention of working there, but at the end of my interviewing run they were the only offer I had. It was 2x my current salary and it was too hard to turn it down when the money was right there in front of me. I had sincere moral issues with the company but I convinced myself their wors…

Cash in, cash out. Resume is a trail though.

saying “ex-Facebook” is still serious clout with few questions from people that appeal to authority unobjectively, you could be an ex Facebook janitor and garner audiences for an investable venture with no questions asked about the specific role and experience and its relation to that venture

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Post by i_heart_dang »

dang wrote: post #166
malloreon wrote: post #163

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by toast0 »

lmilcin wrote: post #188
throwaway47292 wrote: post #183

The bubble we (hn) live in, is turning against fb/google/evil corp for various reasons, but the truth is, like any corp they will have ups and downs, if this meta shit pays out (fortnite skins for 2 billion people is basically infinite money) they will just buy their way out. Or they will buy the devs in another way, like apple is buying them indirectly for 30% commission on their apps. Worse case, you get survivor b…

The trouble for FB is that best developers have free choice of where they are going to work. Yes, when you need to pay your bills and FB is going to pay a shit ton of money, most people will rationalize, bend and accept FB's offer. But when people have basically free choice of where they can work this is when most of them actually start paying attention to non-financial aspects of their decision. FB's model requires…

> FB's model requires them to be able to hire a lot of really good developers.

It really doesn't. They need to hire a lot of developers, but they don't all (or even most) need to be really good.

They've got lots of stuff to reduce the blast radius of poor developers. Extensive testing and automated regression. Extensive code reviews (although I don't know how effective that is). Lots and lots of layers that make it harder to do things wrong (but also harder to do things period). Gobs and gobs of meetings so nobody has time to get much done anyway.

Some parts of that need really good developers, but you don't need a lot.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by vmception »

bottle_roket wrote: post #229

I’m a FB employee and I’m giving my notice tomorrow. I interviewed with them in 2019 just so I could get a competing offer and had no intention of working there, but at the end of my interviewing run they were the only offer I had. It was 2x my current salary and it was too hard to turn it down when the money was right there in front of me. I had sincere moral issues with the company but I convinced myself their wors…

I just wish you would acknowledge your habit of rationalizing everything convenient for you.

You rationalized they would change when faced with your otherwise failed FAANG tour.

You rationalized staying with them through 20 months of the pandemic because what, you were scared? It was “responsible”? The stock priced mooned? You got addicted to the signing bonus from the first year and vesting cliff, and wanted 1 more year of that gravy train?

Bet you got your girlfriend during quarantine too and now something less convenient is about to happen if you don't ditch Facebook.

I would give you a pass if you kind of disclaimed your own shortcomings here.

2 year stints at a FAANG is so normal that this “profound” realization is as mockable as the people that announce mundane milestones on Linkedin (see @linkedinflex meme account for examples). Good on your for leaving.

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