Didn't see this one coming, considering how well Nat/GitHub was doing since MS acquired them where they now appear to be unstoppably dominant who are successfully branching out of repo hosting to take over more of the dev/project lifecycle. Will be interesting to see what his next plans are.
>Didn't see this one coming
It also happened M$ promoted [1] a new president of the MSFT DevDiv, which includes GitHub.
It happened on the same day, I mean I cant help to read a lot into it.
This one does seem to be different. Github is held at arms length from the rest of Microsoft (like LinkedIn) such that all of this sort of interference can't happen currently. It will be interesting to see if they can keep that up. It is clearly an advantage to have an organization that can think "developers first" and not Azure, Windows, or whatever first.
Hundreds of developers were moved from Azure teams to the GitHub org about a year or so ago. Several new features they have added are effectively rebranding/built on top of other Azure projects. GitHub is hardly at arms length from MS.
Let us be straight: they effectively made the Azure DevOps (the leftover from the once might Team Foundation Server) a weak product to further foster GitHub. So when this team brought some tech over, that just means, they are now working for GitHub primarily and no longer on Azure DevOps.
"They went the extra distance to get a permission/license from the US government specially to offer full Github to developers from Iran." Wait, that's a thing ? We get a signup from Iran about once every month and I always, apologetically, send a personal note saying that I wish we could provide service to them but ... You're saying rsync.net can legally provide service to Iranians with ... some paperwork ?
Definitely a thing. Regarding the cost, it might be more than "some paperwork".
Iranian dev here. I can tell you if a company goes the extra mile to provide services to us, the reason is almost always that they just care. It's not a marketing tactic. You have to care if you go through all that trouble. And there is very little publicity to these acts. No one is going to notice it but us. They only do it out of the goodness of their hearts.
If person's legacy is a list of all the good things (or bad things) they've done during their time, Nat's legacy as the CEO of GitHub can also be summed into a list. Let me get started...I only remember this one thing but other users of HN can help add more I supposed: - That one time when Nat spoke against DMCA law and said taking down youtube-dl was wrong and he actively pushed for their reinstatement. [1] [1] http…
Let's not give -too- much credit here. This only happened after massive public outcry and targeting trolling campaigns exploiting Github design flaws forced them to take a position, and a position of anything other than defense of youtubedl was going to be an expensive reputation hit given all the journalists covering it.
Nat was a great CEO. The best that could have happened to Github after the acquisition IMO. The one time that I won't forget about Github under Nat, was when they stood up for Iranian developers [1]. They went the extra distance to get a permission/license from the US government specially to offer full Github to developers from Iran. Many other companies didn't do something similar. [1]: https://github.blog/2021-01-0…
I agree. youtube-dl was another example of them turning a vulnerable moment into a win: https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1328365679473426432
Which, btw, was also thanks to the EFF. Their mission is occasionally murky these days, but their part in the subsequent restoration of youtube-dl in the face of a DMCA takedown is not to be ignored or forgotten.
If person's legacy is a list of all the good things (or bad things) they've done during their time, Nat's legacy as the CEO of GitHub can also be summed into a list. Let me get started...I only remember this one thing but other users of HN can help add more I supposed: - That one time when Nat spoke against DMCA law and said taking down youtube-dl was wrong and he actively pushed for their reinstatement. [1] [1] http…
That youtube-dl moment was a really defining moment for me, particularly as a heavy user of youtube-dl and having contributed a PR here or there. GitHub handled the situation really well, both in terms of the course of action it took, as well as setting up new procedures and a legal fund to prevent future incidents like this. Along with the EFF, they have actively promoted the right of developers (and FOSS) to tinker…
That was just for show because it was a brand risk. Similar repos without journalists covering them are still banned without dispute.
There seems to be a lot of confusion in the HN community about Nat originally coming from Github. He was already a Microsoft employee at the time Github was aquired. That confusion alone speaks books on how well Microsoft integrated Github under his tenure. Kudos.
I fully agree, I was one of those until 5 minutes ago. I'm happy that GitHub managed to stay being what it used to be, and has the strong financial backing of Microsoft.
Stack Exchange, GitHub and Wikipedia, God bless them.
Staying on this subject, how is the Azure DevOps phase-out going? When can I expect to see a "migrate now!" button?
I wouldn't be surprised if it takes years for the phase-out, if it ever gets phased out at all. There is a particular type of organizational culture that believes having the "big" option for a productivity tool is the best option. AzDO feels like the "big" option. It is quite customizable and can emulate (and in some areas surpass) GitHub's functionality, but at the expense of having more knobs. To me, AzDO feels lik…
I would also say that deployment pipelines have a place inside the portfolio of a public cloud. Not the issue tracking but repo and pipelines.