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Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by spamizbad »

blakesterz wrote: post #100

I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. For years I worked* on an Ubuntu desktop machine I built myself. Early this year I switched to a brand new M1 mini and this this is slower and less reliable than the thing I built myself that runs Ubuntu. My Ubuntu machine had a few little issues every no and then. My Mini has weird bugs all the time. e.g. Green Screen Crashes when I have…

The answer is M1 is a great chip held back by a mediocre OS. Containers and certain other applications are just going to run faster on Linux, which has had a ton of performance tuning put into it relative to MacOS.

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Post by jacurtis »

y4mi wrote: post #203
blakesterz wrote: post #100

I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. For years I worked* on an Ubuntu desktop machine I built myself. Early this year I switched to a brand new M1 mini and this this is slower and less reliable than the thing I built myself that runs Ubuntu. My Ubuntu machine had a few little issues every no and then. My Mini has weird bugs all the time. e.g. Green Screen Crashes when I have…

docker is a second-class citizen on anything but linux. i'm especially amazed you bothered with the m1 mac mini if you wanted to use docker, considering how little memory it has. the memory overhead of having a VM running with only 8GB available is significant. yes, i know the docker on mac has "native" support for the m1 cpu, that doesn't mean its not running a VM.

Yeah people forget that Docker is built to run on Linux. That is why it exists. You deploy your containers onto a Linux host that runs docker for containerization, that is the point.

The reason we have Docker for Windows and Mac is so that developers can emulate the docker environment for testing and building purposes. But ultimately it is expected that you will take your container and eventually deploy it on Linux. So Docker will always be a second class citizen on these other OS's because it is just there for emulation purposes.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by Someone »

ur-whale wrote: post #93
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not when building large software projects.

> Not when building large software projects. Or run heavy renders of complex ray-traced scenes. Or do heavy 3D reconstruction from 2D images. Or run Monte-Carlo simulations to compute complex likelihoods on parametric trading models. Or train ML models. The list of things you can do with a computer with many, many cores is long, and some of these (or parts thereof) are sometimes rather annoying to map to a GPU.

It seems Apple thinks it _can_ map the essential ones to the GPU, though. If they didn’t, there would be more CPUs and less powerful other hardware.

‘Rather annoying’ certainly doesn’t have to be a problem. Apple can afford to pay engineers lots of money to write libraries that do that for you.

The only problem I see is that Apple might (and likely will) disagree with some of their potential customers about what functionality is essential.

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Post by GeekyBear »

alpha64 wrote: post #25
e0m wrote: post #16

Wow does much better than Geekbench's prior top processor ( https://browser.geekbench.com/processor-benchmarks ) the Intel Core i9-11900K ( https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/intel-core-i9-11900... ). 10,997 for Intel i9 vs 12,693 for M1 Max

You sorted by single core performance, then compared multi core performance. Sort by multi core performance, and you will see that the i9-11900K is nowhere near the top spot. For example, the Ryzen 9 5950X has single/multi core scores of 1,688/16,645 - which is higher in multi core score than the M1 Max, but lower in the single core.

Interestingly, the iPhone's A15 SOC did get a newer version of Apple's big core this year.

>On an adjacent note, with a score of 7.28 in the integer suite, Apple’s A15 P-core is on equal footing with AMD’s Zen3-based Ryzen 5950X with a score of 7.29, and ahead of M1 with a score of 6.66.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16983/the-apple-a15-soc-perfo...

On floating point, it's slightly ahead. 10.15 for the A15 vs. 9.79 for the 5950X.

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Post by karmelapple »

neogodless wrote: post #250
metahost wrote: post #64

This is the comparison to a mid 2015 15" MacBook Pro for anyone who is curios: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/10513492?baseli... Summary: single core performance gain is 2x whereas multi-core performance gain is 4x.

Ha I couldn't stand the order that was, so here's the reverse: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/10496766?baseli... 3.1% increase in single core, and 69.4% increase in multi-core.

Sorry, I think you meant to reply to this post with it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28935095

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Post by snuser »

jkeddo wrote: post #115
jjcm wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those that can't load and are curious, the M1 Max scores about 2x the Intel Core i7-11800H in the Dell laptop on both single core and multi core scores.

I don't think that was a good sample, most of the XPS 15's I see have a much higher single thread score, almost double the one linked above: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/10491562

It looks like the original as been updated, the differences don't seem very drastic especially when you consider what the SKU's w/ the m1 max cost

guess it's about a 1.5-2x difference in battery life though

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by thesandlord »

DeathArrow wrote: post #189
giantrobot wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that Docker Desktop for Mac has always used a VM to run a Linux instance. Same with Docker Desktop on Windows (I don't know if this has changed with WSL). The main difference on M1 Macs is the qemu emulation when a Docker image is only available as x86_64. If the image is available in AArch64 it runs native on the M1.

> Same with Docker Desktop on Windows (I don't know if this has changed with WSL). Not really. On Windows you can choose if you want to run Linux binaries in a VM or native Windows containers.

I feel Windows Containers are a whole separate thing. I personally have never seen anyone use them, but then again I have never worked on a Windows Server stack.

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Post by boopmaster »

This is the first bench I believe might be real. i saw 11542 multi core spammed across news sites a couple days back, but it didn’t align with a 1.7x boost to performance (which this result actually does). The single core was 1749 which also didn’t make sense as I’d imagine there’s maybe a tiny bit more TDP per core in the MBP 14 and 16 than the OG 13” M1 mbp. That and it was on macOS v 12.4… which is maybe nonexistent and thus fake? This score here is believable and incredible.

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Post by zitterbewegung »

blakesterz wrote: post #100

I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. For years I worked* on an Ubuntu desktop machine I built myself. Early this year I switched to a brand new M1 mini and this this is slower and less reliable than the thing I built myself that runs Ubuntu. My Ubuntu machine had a few little issues every no and then. My Mini has weird bugs all the time. e.g. Green Screen Crashes when I have…

I have had the opposite experience. Whenever a update to a kernel comes out for Ubuntu my machine apparently forgets which kernel to choose and boots up incorrectly. My M1 MacBook Air drives a Pro Display XDR without any hiccups. Its completely silent when I work with it. But, performance wise the M1 Pro and Max don't seem like they would be worth it for me to upgrade from the M1 at all. I just want a completely silent laptop and it makes a huge difference to me.

But, my workflows and workloads are slowly changing from local compilation of code to one where I will probably just SSH and or possibly figure out how to configure RDP into my Threadripper when I do actual builds and have my Macbook Air M1 with 16GB of Ram and the synergy with other Apple devices is a huge plus.

Have you talked with Apple to get a replacement?

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Post by klelatti »

IceWreck wrote: post #136

Why does Apple not open up their hardware to other operating systems like Linux. They will already get our money from the hardware purchases, what more do they want. I know Asahi Linux exists but without Apple's (driver) support it will never reach macOS on M1 level performance. (If someone disagrees, please compare Nouveau with proprietary Nvidia drivers.)

I’d like this but you make it sound like this would not require significant effort from them.

I suspect they would say if you want to run Linux you can do it in a VM and use the already debugged MacOS device drivers.

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