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Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by durnygbur »

Chris2048 wrote: post #260
durnygbur wrote: post #258

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There exist dominating languages in western culture - English, Spanish, French, German, and native speakers are getting comparatively easy pass. English has the magnifying factor of mostly American movie and music industries. I mean more the ruthless evolutional and statistical factors - no American, Spanish, French, German lady comes over here looking for romance, marriage, or sex. I might relocate there but startin…

And why are native women choosing foreign men over native men? Purely the result of "American movie and music industries"?

Dunno, their perceived higher status and an intention to marry up? Oikophobia based on real experiences (poverty, economic instability) but as well on some imaginary grounds (biased content by mostly foreign owned media, ads)? Probably more and it's more complicated...

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Post by bjourne »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #243
bjourne wrote: post #229

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She describes in the article how she was essentially raped. Can you explain how legalized prostitution would have helped her in that situation? Because it seems to me that there is no way the guy would have been convicted of rape. Furthermore, future johns would avoid her if they knew that she had filed charges against a previous customer. Having sex with men for money is inherently dangerous and I don't think legali…

Why would the guy not have been convicted of rape if he raped her? You're making lots of assumptions to "show" how legalizing prostitution would not make it "much safer", but common-sense tells us that legalization is a good first step to making it a bit safer. In the Netherlands police and social workers sometimes protect the outdoor areas in which prostitutes work (e.g. car parks). Why would that not make their wor…

I think you don't know how the justice system operates if you think every charge of rape leads to a conviction. In some jurisdictions prostitution is legal, such as Germany, but, afaik, that has not led to a higher number of johns being sentenced. The idea that legalization would somehow make prostitution seem to me to not be grounded in reality. More it seems like make believe for the customers: "It's not us clients making prostitutes unsafe, it's the damn police!"

Social workers and police can of course make outdoor areas in which prostitutes work safer even if prostitution is not legalized. So that is not an argument in favor of legalization.

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Post by Jabbles »

jwally wrote: post #225

I’ve always wondered why nobody’s ever set up a porn-for-hire business (maybe they have) to hide a prostitution business behind whatever laws make pornography legal. It’d essentially be an escort service where the “John” finances the “shoot” renting your room, equipment, and the girl’s time. They could then take their film and destroy it or distribute it.

It's not that simple: https://www.popehat.com/2016/11/06/private-porn-shoots-brill...

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Post by hzay »

lenkite wrote: post #233
hzay wrote: post #163

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> Ultimately, in the context of the country/culture, legal protection is a progressive position, but it's not sufficient, unless complemented by a degree of anonymity. Not sure how that could work, though! Legal, non-anonymous and socially respectable escort services used to exist, you know. It existed in south india as a practice for hundreds of years before the british came.

"before the british came." More accurately - before Islamic conquerors came. The Vijayanagara empire was utterly destroyed by the Sultanates. Devadasi as an institution was shattered first by Islamic invaders - who even record this in their journals. In-fact most Islamic historians explicitly declaim this as liberation of women in India and how Islamic conquest uplifted backward society in that era.

Could you give me a source for your claims please? Until mid 1800s, my understanding is that the system was working fine.

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Post by e1g »

killtimeatwork wrote: post #241
jwally wrote: post #225

I’ve always wondered why nobody’s ever set up a porn-for-hire business (maybe they have) to hide a prostitution business behind whatever laws make pornography legal. It’d essentially be an escort service where the “John” finances the “shoot” renting your room, equipment, and the girl’s time. They could then take their film and destroy it or distribute it.

As a customer, I'd be extremely worried about the video recording not being destroyed after all.

"We are a small business with a limited budget - please bring your own recording equipment and find your own venue. Our success depends on releasing only the best material, so please send us only those recordings that you are most proud of to publish". And if the equipment they bring is an iPhone that falls over, well dammit this session was a waste of money.

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Post by fighterpilot »

iammisc wrote: post #107
micromacrofoot wrote: post #95

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It's much harder to fight the stigma around anything that's illegal because it instantly gets equated with crime. It's hard to talk about an experience that will get you branded a criminal... Decriminalization of marijuana in many places is getting people talking about it more openly, for example. It's not everything but it's a start.

> Decriminalization of marijuana in many places is getting people talking about it more openly, for example. It's not everything but it's a start. sure... and that's the best argument to recriminalize. Having yet more drugs that disrupt mental faculties is not a good thing

Drug gangs destroying South America, tens of thousands dying due to Fentanyl-laced pills, lost tax revenue, huge taxpayer expense, petty crime used to fund overpriced drugs, are all signficiantly worse things than what you are afraid of. It's a laugh to see all these right-leaning people who pretend to be libertarians (not sure if that's you, but in general) but are actually in favor of a large state and authoritarian government intervention on topics such as drugs.

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Post by OneTimePetes »

blunte wrote: post #248
Yoric wrote: post #156

Very interesting article. Do I understand correctly that sex work is still illegal in the US? If so, what's the rationale? Why can't consenting adults do what they want with their body?

Old white men wanting to control everything, including women. Especially women. Religion is used as an excuse, but that's also just old white men wanting to control people.

Actually, as someone growing up in a cult, the old white men, are quite bigot about this. They are pro prostitution.

Its their female partners that push this agenda, to prevent sex from devaluation as currency.

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Post by denton-scratch »

KaiserPro wrote: post #217
manquer wrote: post #173

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The point is her experience is niche and unique, it is not indicative of how the industry at large actually operates so making any judgements would not be meaningful as OP was doing.

but the issue the article points out that she as an escort has no access to law, should something go wrong. If an in-house hair dresser was assaulted/robbed/stolen from, they would be able to report it to the police. There would be a strong chance (well as high as any other crime) that it would be punished. There would also be an opportunity to use/create a verification scheme for clients, but also ask for insurance/…

> hire security

In the UK, being paid by a pro sex-worker for services in support of that work is a crime called "Living off immoral earnings", and it's treated quite a bit more seriously than prostitution. How do you tell whether the big guy in the car across the street is really just protection, or whether he's a pimp, taxing a harem of girls with threats of violence?

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Post by denton-scratch »

hzay wrote: post #163
pizza234 wrote: post #161

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The legality is addressed in the article: > You can in fact get issued an escort license in some cities (e.g., San Francisco or Grand Chute, or Jefferson County, WA). I don’t know if this is a good idea, neither I nor anybody I know has applied for this, though I seriously considered. It’s possible it might grant you some legal protection, but also possible it might give you some legal issues, as it puts a lot of inf…

> Ultimately, in the context of the country/culture, legal protection is a progressive position, but it's not sufficient, unless complemented by a degree of anonymity. Not sure how that could work, though! Legal, non-anonymous and socially respectable escort services used to exist, you know. It existed in south india as a practice for hundreds of years before the british came.

> Legal, non-anonymous and socially respectable escort services

You can still hire no-sex escorts to accompany you to an event - such as a work event, or anything where you don't want people to think you're a saddo who can't get a girlfriend. I can imagine a closet queen employing such a service.

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Post by iamben »

tomc1985 wrote: post #136
akudha wrote: post #15

1,200 an hour! Jeez, that is insane! good for them. Once in a while, I come across something like this and wonder, what is it like to be that rich to casually drop 1,200 an hour , for anything, let alone on escorts.

It strikes me somewhat oddly that one might pay so much for something that literally half the people on this planet is equipped to provide You're paying for looks, ease, simplicity, no strings, and so on... I get it. But idunno, that is a lot of money for one nut. Also suprised the San Diego price is so high, when there is a red light district literally on the border in Tijuana, and those girls charge $60-$100/hr US…

You can buy a phone with the same spec as an iPhone for an eighth of the price. You can buy a car that goes from A-B for a fraction of the price of your Porsche. Those selvedge RRL jeans you like for 269 - Uniqlo do a version for 35. Is that Michelin star really better than Domino's? That is a lot to spend on just a phone, something to get you from A-B, something to cover your legs, something to fill you up, etc etc.

She sort of addresses it in the sentence that ends: "...and might be more likely to attract higher power men who are looking to “unlock” something they feel few other people have seen – your nudity."

I guess it's like anything. Things with a higher price feel more exclusive and we desire the things we can't have. If you can afford it, why would you skimp? If it's less affordable - maybe you'd prefer it to feel like an experience (at least in your own head) rather than 'one nut'?!

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