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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#261

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Do you think Google doesn't scan photos uploaded to its cloud services for CSAM?

Don't move the goal posts. On-device scanning has a qualitatively different privacy impact from scanning photos inside cloud storage.

Why do people prefer the scanning on the cloud storage? That means it will never be encrypted and stored unencrypted on HDD's in someone else's computer.

'scan -> encrypt -> upload' is in my opinion better than 'upload -> scan'

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#262

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The definition is from NCMEC[0] and ONLY from NCMEC. No FSB, no MSS, no FBI. This is the EXACT SAME database EVERY cloud provider has been using for about a decade. Look up Microsoft PhotoDNA. The only difference is that the company doing it was Apple, who wanted to do the checks on-device BEFORE upload. And with multiple redundancies and human review. Not like Microsoft, who have - for example - shut down the MS acc…

Longbets 10 years $10,000 we see this used by Apple (or a government agency) in a way that deviates from your attestation? I'll eat my hat if this system doesn't hurt someone innocent.

I will happily take that bet.

Because if a government agency is involved they will be doing so server-side instead of client-side.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#263

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You are thoroughly misrepresenting what Apple does. I initially thought you don't know what they do, but apparently you do very well. Still: they scan photos locally - those are not cloud photos, those are local photos. And they have deployed the technical capability. You can bet that once capability exists, they will bend to government demands - there's ample precedent for that. SO, yes, Apple, unlike all others, sc…

> Still: they scan photos locally - those are not cloud photos, those are local photos. They are cloud photos. I say that because: 1. The photos are in the process of being uploaded to the cloud when they are scanned 2. The result of the scan is attached to the photo only when it is uploaded to the cloud. If the photo is deleted from the cloud, or the upload is canceled, the scan result is discarded Practically, the…

This conversation is rather bizarre. The input to the scanning system is a sequence of bits, read from the flash memory in the phone.

Therefore, the scanning is local. There's really nothing more to it: The distinction is based on where the input is read from, in addition to where the input is processed. Both are happening inside the phone while you hold it in your hand.

It is scanning images locally.

This is totally unacceptable, and should never become acceptable.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#264

The launch of this phone was utterly botched. There's a hilarious dissonance between the talk of SoC design, AI, computational photography and ambient computing and the inability to handle a website with a relatively simple purchase flow for a phone that, let's be real, probably has about 1/10 th of the interest and web traffic of the iPhone. From the moment the store website went live with these phones there were al…

Year after year, Google keeps reminding us its hardware line is not something's it's taking seriously. They sell phones in a ridiculously small number of countries, and without fail, they can't even do it without hiccups. And when you actually get a device, there's often some hardware issue, or annoying bugs, and sometimes both. (Writing this on a Pixel 5).

My Pixel 5 has been perfect. No bugs, glitches, hardware issues, etc.

The only complaint I have is them removing the proper burst mode on the camera, but that was gone with the 4 series I think.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#265

I'm interested in pixel devices since they are supported by GrapheneOS. Is there any concern of hardware spying by google even if using an alternative secure OS without google services and applications?

Not really, the compute enclaves are for privacy rather than remote management. (So nothing as nefarious as Intel vPro)

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#266

The launch of this phone was utterly botched. There's a hilarious dissonance between the talk of SoC design, AI, computational photography and ambient computing and the inability to handle a website with a relatively simple purchase flow for a phone that, let's be real, probably has about 1/10 th of the interest and web traffic of the iPhone. From the moment the store website went live with these phones there were al…

Year after year, Google keeps reminding us its hardware line is not something's it's taking seriously. They sell phones in a ridiculously small number of countries, and without fail, they can't even do it without hiccups. And when you actually get a device, there's often some hardware issue, or annoying bugs, and sometimes both. (Writing this on a Pixel 5).

I gave up after my Pixel 4, now on a OnePlus. Google has consistently omitted something annoying on their phones. No wireless charging when everyone else has it, replacing a fingerprint scanner with face unlock (hello pandemic!), laughable battery life.

They take 3 steps forward and 1 giant step back with each iteration. I wasn't willing to find out what stupid shit they would pull with the 6.

The color grading on those photos, though. So sublime and authentic.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#267

I'm interested in pixel devices since they are supported by GrapheneOS. Is there any concern of hardware spying by google even if using an alternative secure OS without google services and applications?

The Titan M and Pixel firmware images are closed source. If you can stomach those caveats your data should be safe with a Pixel.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#268
post #219

Link doesn’t seem to work. Could be geo-fenced? (Location: Norway/Europe)

The phone is only available in a handful countries at launch it seems. https://9to5google.com/2021/10/19/the-pixel-6-series-is-now-...

Not only at launch. Google limits Pixel sales/support to a small set of countries. Doesn't even include all EU.

Strange tactic for someone wanting to sell more phones.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#269
post #175

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You're precisely missing the point. There is a new feature to better capture non-white skin tones. Those photos are to illustrate a product benefit. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RealTone&src=typed_query&f=t...

Yeah, the explanation is literally right above the pictures: "Portraits on Pixel represent the nuances of different skin tones for all people beautifully and authentically."

This may be obvious to the previous two commenters but I want to specifically add that a lot of camera tech is not great capturing darker skinned people. This has been an issue perhaps as long as the camera has been around. Clearly google did some work to address that and want to show it on the page.

I'm going to assume that because the copy just says "skin tones" and doesn't specifically call out darker skin the gp (or whatever the first commenter is) is confused by what they're seeing and reading.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#270

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You are thoroughly misrepresenting what Apple does. I initially thought you don't know what they do, but apparently you do very well. Still: they scan photos locally - those are not cloud photos, those are local photos. And they have deployed the technical capability. You can bet that once capability exists, they will bend to government demands - there's ample precedent for that. SO, yes, Apple, unlike all others, sc…

> Still: they scan photos locally - those are not cloud photos, those are local photos. They are cloud photos. I say that because: 1. The photos are in the process of being uploaded to the cloud when they are scanned 2. The result of the scan is attached to the photo only when it is uploaded to the cloud. If the photo is deleted from the cloud, or the upload is canceled, the scan result is discarded Practically, the…

> I'm not sure what this implies.

If _Apple_ are forced to (e.g. by a judge), and they can't claim the ask is technically impossible.

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