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Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by tfehring »

vimy wrote: post #253
kf6nux wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those who don't remember, this fired leader wrote "Most women in the Bay Area are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full of shit. They have their self- regarding entitlement feminism, and ceaselessly vaunt their independence, but the reality is, come the epidemic plague or foreign invasion, they’d become precisely the sort of useless baggage you’d trade for a box…

Full context: > Anyway: Chaos Monkeys contains scenes from Antonio’s private relationships. Characteristically, they’re painted as comedies, where his personal life is depicted as an unpredictable third party over which he has little control — only occasionally, it seems, does it even listen to his suggestions. He meets a woman via Match.com whom he calls British Trader, “an imposing, broad-shouldered presence, six f…

I don't see how that context changes anything. It's not a quote from a character or, apparently, an intentionally unreliable narrator, and there's nothing to indicate that it's not a sincerely held belief by the author.

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Post by threecheese »

ekianjo wrote: post #46
imgabe wrote: post #26

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I’ve also been a customer at establishments with deaf employees and none of them ever had a sign language interpreter. Providing an iPad to type messages on is a reasonable accommodation. Customers who don’t like it can work with another employee or go elsewhere. But hiring a second entire employee who basically shadows you and does your job for you seems like a bit much.

> Providing an iPad to type messages on is a reasonable accommodation Doesn't that make communication slower? When I want to buy something, I certainly don't want to start chatting on a tablet to get my point across. It seems like a poor choice of position for that employee.

This is similar to being annoyed at the disabled folks who are hired to bag groceries at supermarkets; it’s not a lot to ask for us to deal with suboptimal retail experiences if it gives the disabled earning/buying power, which has a net positive effect on society in general.

You have agency here; you could choose to shop somewhere else, where they would prioritize your retail experience by not hiring the disabled. By the way this would also make you a giant knob :)

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Post by amrangaye »

samhwr wrote: post #231
bengale wrote: post #166

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Yes, for the upgraded plans you can export data from all private channels and direct messages. It also doesn't notify users when this happens. You can't watch the chats in real time or anything. People should assume communication on company services are all logged.

Not only logged, but potentially subpoenable in lawsuits. Any reasonably large company usually ends up with the occasional lawsuit from some mentally ill querulant who feels wronged for whatever reason, and in one of those cases, at a past employer, we ended up blowing off steam by joking about the letters from their ‘lawyer’ (i.e. almost certainly themselves). We were fed up after having to gather vast amounts of da…

I agree with everything you said, but I don’t think it’s fair to blame “mentally ill” people. Not attacking you or anything but I think it was a poor choice of words in this case, and way too broad a brush to even apply :)

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Post by draw_down »

satisfice wrote: post #116

People who work at very rich companies get very, very spoiled. I was in Apple R&D for four years (during that period after Jobs left and before he returned). No one was hungry, few people I met were ambitious. I left mainly because they decided to treat software testers as second class citizens, and had no interest in supporting my attempts to innovate in the testing realm. I went to Borland, where morale was high an…

It’s a shame Apple leadership didn’t smarten up. They could have been as successful as Borland!

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Post by Bud »

mikelevins wrote: post #246
Bud wrote: post #225

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I didn't say "allowable". I said "correctly"; it doesn't mean what GP appears to think it means. As for whether de facto specifically is hyphenated, go look it up yourself. Latin phrases are not hyphenated; that's generally agreed. This is because they are easily seen to hang together as a single unit without the added help of a hyphen, so the hyphen is redundant in this case. But yes, I am aware that most pairs of w…

I looked it up for myself and found that different editors take different positions. To quote from one: "In some scholarly articles, you’ll find hyphenated Latin expressions (such as ex-post-facto research design or status-quo bias). Does that mean those journals’ editors or proofreaders did slapdash work? No. It’s not incorrect to hyphenate Latin phrases, but it’s unnecessary. However, some style guides may recommen…

Even that editor admits that no real style guide takes that position. And of course not, because it would make no sense. The hyphen accomplishes nothing in such a case. However, although you didn't cite your source, let's call it a tie. :)

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Post by samhwr »

amrangaye wrote: post #263
samhwr wrote: post #231

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Not only logged, but potentially subpoenable in lawsuits. Any reasonably large company usually ends up with the occasional lawsuit from some mentally ill querulant who feels wronged for whatever reason, and in one of those cases, at a past employer, we ended up blowing off steam by joking about the letters from their ‘lawyer’ (i.e. almost certainly themselves). We were fed up after having to gather vast amounts of da…

I agree with everything you said, but I don’t think it’s fair to blame “mentally ill” people. Not attacking you or anything but I think it was a poor choice of words in this case, and way too broad a brush to even apply :)

I’m not totally sure what you mean there? I’m not saying that all mentally ill people are prone to that, I’m just saying the inverse: that most people who are prone to that are mentally ill. It’s certainly a very very small subset of mentally ill people, if that’s what you mean.

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Post by szc »

saagarjha wrote: post #209
szc wrote: post #112

I think this is a poorly sourced and not a reliably fact checked article. This is at least the 2nd time on HN that a report has suggested Ashley Gjovik was complaining about "toxic chemicals at work". The previous article referred to something published at "The Verge" - "her office is in an Apple building located on a superfund site" https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/9/22666049/apple-fires-senio... > Other published ar…

As the other commenters have mentioned, your "technical analysis" is very wrong here. I don't want to rehash the details that the others have mentioned about why you're wrong, but I do want to take a moment to say that what you've posted is pretty much perfectly embodies why many people hate "the orange site". It's these kind of faux-objective breakdowns that really hurt the site as a whole. I'm willing to believe th…

I appreciate your response and agree with what you have said.

I cannot undo what I've said - it is clearly very incorrect. I would like to retract it.

Do you have any recommendations for getting better at critical thinking? How can it be practiced in a way that doesn't get you banned when making mistakes?

I really would like to avoid making these sorts of mistakes in the future.

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Post by szc »

Bahamut wrote: post #152
szc wrote: post #112

I think this is a poorly sourced and not a reliably fact checked article. This is at least the 2nd time on HN that a report has suggested Ashley Gjovik was complaining about "toxic chemicals at work". The previous article referred to something published at "The Verge" - "her office is in an Apple building located on a superfund site" https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/9/22666049/apple-fires-senio... > Other published ar…

Cher is a real employee, but anything more I'll leave unsaid out of respect for her privacy. Apple employees can easily look up other employees, and there are easy ways to tell whether someone is an Apple employee should they choose to reveal some of those things. Also I don't know whether she's remote or onsite, but there are multiple orgs with offices in Seattle - one of my friends just got hired as an engineering…

I agree. What I wrote is incorrect.

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Post by szc »

kenferry wrote: post #207
szc wrote: post #112

I think this is a poorly sourced and not a reliably fact checked article. This is at least the 2nd time on HN that a report has suggested Ashley Gjovik was complaining about "toxic chemicals at work". The previous article referred to something published at "The Verge" - "her office is in an Apple building located on a superfund site" https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/9/22666049/apple-fires-senio... > Other published ar…

Are you suggesting there was not a real complaint about Ashley’s office being on a superfund site, or that you don’t find the claim credible and that therefore the nyt shouldn’t have reported it? The complaint itself is definitely about the office. https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1438897383912394758?...

I didn't see that. I retract everything I said. It was not a well thought out comment.

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Post by szc »

geofft wrote: post #156
szc wrote: post #112

I think this is a poorly sourced and not a reliably fact checked article. This is at least the 2nd time on HN that a report has suggested Ashley Gjovik was complaining about "toxic chemicals at work". The previous article referred to something published at "The Verge" - "her office is in an Apple building located on a superfund site" https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/9/22666049/apple-fires-senio... > Other published ar…

> Twitter suggests that "Cher Scarlett" is located in Seattle. (This would make them a remote worker for Apple). Apple has a large in-person engineering office in Seattle, which is easy to determine from a Google search for 'apple seattle engineering': https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/search?location=seattle-SEA (scroll down past the retail jobs) https://www.geekwire.com/2021/signs-point-apple-making-seatt... https://www…

I appreciate your response. I retract everything I said. It was a very poorly thought out comment.
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