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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by jl_agilebits »

xuki wrote: post #51

The writing was on the wall when they took VC money[1]. Anyone has a good guide to move to Bitwarden/Lastpass? [1] https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/14/fourteen-years-after-launc...

Hi. I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. First of all, our decision to built the macOS app in Electron was absolutely not driven by VC money. For the past few years, we've been working on consolidating 1Password's business logic into a single Rust-powered core that could be shared across all our apps. This has many advantages: feature consistency across platforms, faster development cycles, and better security. When building the front-end for the desktop platforms that would take advantage of this new core, Electron suited us perfectly, since we could write our UI code once and make it consistent across Linux, Windows, and Mac. We actually did build a native Mac app initially alongside the cross-platform Electron app, but we eventually decided that having two separate versions of the macOS app (one in Electron, one in SwiftUI) would cause a lot of needless development churn and hassle for both customers and our support team.

I can understand your frustration about Electron, but I hope you find my explanation reasonable. Please stop spreading misinformation.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by lotsofpulp »

arepublicadoceu wrote: post #185
lotsofpulp wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Apple keychain in conjunction with KeePassX. Apple keychain for the convenience, but KeePassX is the master storage.

I was thinking of doing this but how do you keep Apple keychain and KeePass in sync? Or do you manually update both?

I manually update KeePassXC.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by mapgrep »

I think one of the best things the U.S. government could do would be to buy and nationalize 1password and give everyone a license. Canadians too, since it was one of your companies :-)

I am being intentionally outrageous but do genuinely feel that a good password manager is foundational to good digital security and I find it baffling that it does not come bundled with operating systems or in some other way offered for free. It's such a basic thing that could be done to increase collective resilience to digital attacks.

(And if 1password doesn't want to sell there should be funding for an open source equivalent with a default server hosted by either the government or a trusted nonprofit.)

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by mst »

ValentineC wrote: post #168
FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

I'm perfectly happy with paying a subscription, and think $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. What I'm not happy with is the possibility of password access being limited or sync breaking if 1Password servers go down. At least with Dropbox (iCloud, wifi) sync, I have full control over the local vault file. Ultimately, it might be mostly about ownership and choice for me.

I'd vastly prefer to be able to do 'bring your own storage' but for that price I don't really see a problem with that being a "you can do that, but you pay the same subscription price anyway" feature.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by mst »

adoxyz wrote: post #112
notyourwork wrote: post #90

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$20/month seems a bit steep if you ask me. Otherwise I agree with everything you said. edit: I misread and was looking at the business page. $4.99/month for family and $2.99/month for user is entirely reasonable!

yeah. and I think its $50/year. It's the one sub that I'm happy to pay.

Plus they have a 'pay $99 once, get $150 in credit' option which makes it work out even cheaper if you're happy to do that.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by gizdan »

alyandon wrote: post #151
itake wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitwarden's UX is so frustrating. The Firefox extension has no memory to it. For example, if you're logging into your credit card provider from Mint.com, you have to search your card, copy the username. when you paste the result on Mint, you lose the window, and you have to re-search for your card to get the password. Very frustrating.

Does it still do that if you click the pop-out button so that Bitwarden has it's own window?

It doesn't, but you shouldn't have to do that.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by jl_agilebits »

ramesh31 wrote: post #180

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I've never understood the value of any of these password services. How can it possibly be more secure to have your entire digital life hackable with a single cloud based point of failure? Surely it's safer to simply use an encrypted text file on your local PC.

Hi. I'm a features developer for 1Password. You raise a very good question (one that I used to have myself, before I started working here). I would recommend you read our security whitepaper (https://1password.com/files/1Password-White-Paper.pdf) if you want details, but the TL;DR is that we don't know your account password and our servers only store your encrypted information (which we cannot read), and communication is done over HTTPS with an additional layer of encryption via the SRP (Secure Remote Password) protocol. You also might enjoy this blog post: https://blog.1password.com/what-if-1password-gets-hacked/

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by nacho_weekend »

prepend wrote: post #237
ValentineC wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm perfectly happy with paying a subscription, and think $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. What I'm not happy with is the possibility of password access being limited or sync breaking if 1Password servers go down. At least with Dropbox (iCloud, wifi) sync, I have full control over the local vault file. Ultimately, it might be mostly about ownership and choice for me.

> $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. I’m glad you find it affordable but these nickle and dime things add up. Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. I feel like these small, “affordable,” services are just whittling away the Unix philosophy of do one small thing well. Layering on unnecessary crap just to charge a fee eventually comes home to roost. Also, password…

Personally, the added foolproof security and ease of sharing with non-tech savvy family makes that cost more than worth it for me personally.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by Cd00d »

cgb223 wrote: post #72

As long as 1Password keeps their policy of not selling usage data to 3rd parties like LastPass does, I’ll keep using this service Self hosting would be nice to keep though. Been thinking about setting up a server to hold all that stuff

I've been a long time user of LastPass, and have never heard anything about them selling usage data.

This is both upsetting and disturbing.

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