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A wind-powered vehicle that can travel twice as fast as the wind itself

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Re: A wind-powered vehicle that can travel twice as fast as the wind itself

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To add on — the power you’re stealing from the ground is the power you can use for propulsion. So before you switch on the handrail skateboard, you have some power, P, available from the generator. You can use that P to power an air conditioner or a light bulb, or to crawl down the rail. The fact that you’ll then use that power for more propulsion is not relevant — Newton’s laws are linear so you can just add up the…

It’s gearing. Albeit elaborate. Intuitively what’s difficult to get the head around is sailing directly into the wind. However the penny dropped when somebody says it’s like sailing into the wind and that basically the propellers act like triangular sails that are continuously reorienting. The only tricky part bow is the “faster than wind” bit. Presumably this “dynamic sail” is better at harnessing any divergent ener…

When you're going at exactly wind speed, there basically is no wind at all. If you had frictionless wheels, you could turn off your propellors and you'd just be coasting along, feeling no force whatsoever from the wind, as if there was no wind at all and you were not moving.

The difference here -- you ARE moving, relative to the ground. You can, instead of coasting, reach down and grab some power from the huge mass rolling by below you. That'll try to slow you down -- it'll apply a force in the direction of the ground speed -- but if you harness some power and use it to drive a high efficiency propellor, you might be able to get a little extra speed, but as you speed up, you have more resistance both from the wind and the ground, so you can't do it forever.

Re: A wind-powered vehicle that can travel twice as fast as the wind itself

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post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s gearing. Albeit elaborate. Intuitively what’s difficult to get the head around is sailing directly into the wind. However the penny dropped when somebody says it’s like sailing into the wind and that basically the propellers act like triangular sails that are continuously reorienting. The only tricky part bow is the “faster than wind” bit. Presumably this “dynamic sail” is better at harnessing any divergent ener…

When you're going at exactly wind speed, there basically is no wind at all. If you had frictionless wheels, you could turn off your propellors and you'd just be coasting along, feeling no force whatsoever from the wind, as if there was no wind at all and you were not moving. The difference here -- you ARE moving, relative to the ground. You can, instead of coasting, reach down and grab some power from the huge mass r…

What you suggest sounds analogous to a flywheel. You’re using the mass of the vehicle to stabilise your speed and drive the propellor when the energy stored in your momentum > the energy you get from the wind. However, this does not account for the full experience they are describing where you can attain speeds far greater than wind speed. If that’s the case there must be a different “angle” to it, pun intended. He’s not just harnessing the purely linear “push” from the wind. There must be other vectors superimposing. Could well be the lift provided by the Bernoulli effect on the propellor blades. As I mentioned elsewhere once you get to that level it’s all very domain specific.

Re: A wind-powered vehicle that can travel twice as fast as the wind itself

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Now that this thread is not really active anymore I'd like to comment that Business Insider is the record holder of the year for Surveillance Capitalism Sites for me, with 24 trackers present in this article (after I disabled all the tracking I could in the popup dialog, no less).
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