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How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by suifbwish »

vintermann wrote: post #249
zwirbl wrote: post #243

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Isn't it just as foolish to assume there to be a good?

No. These questions have been well explained by a couple of old French philosophers, but they're usually presented in such a weak form ("weak man") that their answers aren't appreciated. Pascal's infamous wager, for instance. It's usually rendered in the form of salvation and probability, but it's better for modern people to think of it in terms of meaning rather than salvation, and the probabilistic part of it can b…

Precisely. If atheists are correct and there is not a god, you gain/lose nothing. However if the other side is correct and God does exist, the risk of existential woe is unfathomable. (None of this describes a personal perspective, merely things I’ve read)

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by deadalus »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #162
deadalus wrote: post #7

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Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by Jerrrry »

alangibson wrote: post #253
dsr_ wrote: post #80

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The omniscient one doesn't need to reverse a hash; they recognize immediately all possible values that could produce the hash.

So God had access to a really big rainbow table. Not terribly impressive for the supposed creator of the universe.

You are failing to grasp the notion that rainbow tables and knowing 51 factors to 17 and 3 are equivalent.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by IntrepidWorm »

suifbwish wrote: post #261
vintermann wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. These questions have been well explained by a couple of old French philosophers, but they're usually presented in such a weak form ("weak man") that their answers aren't appreciated. Pascal's infamous wager, for instance. It's usually rendered in the form of salvation and probability, but it's better for modern people to think of it in terms of meaning rather than salvation, and the probabilistic part of it can b…

Precisely. If atheists are correct and there is not a god, you gain/lose nothing. However if the other side is correct and God does exist, the risk of existential woe is unfathomable. (None of this describes a personal perspective, merely things I’ve read)

The refutation that occurs to me (and has been raised before) is thus: if your belief in a god is wholly predicated on self preservation (avoiding eternal damnation/suffering/etc), and not motivated by the moral tenets of the religion, does that not defeat the purpose of being a believer? More to the point, if a god is all-powerful and all-knowing (or at the very least has some supernatural insight into human drives and motivations), there is little chance of deceiving the deity into accepting you as a true believer.

I would say a better reading of pascal's wager is to live your life morally and compassionately (relative to social norms), and accept that any god that may exist will judge you based on the character of your actions and decisions, and not on adherance to strict dogma.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by mbfg »

samatman wrote: post #122
abecedarius wrote: post #90

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About a dozen people sold their souls on Twitter a while back, so there's another venue. E.g. https://twitter.com/liminal_warmth/status/142135011902313677... Terms: https://liminalwarmth.com/contract-for-sale-of-soul/ Discussion: https://liminalwarmth.com/the-questionable-ethics-of-buying-... As a total atheist I'd still say don't do it. It's not farfetched to interpret the word 'soul' as a future high-res brain scan…

My argument against this is as follows: would you sell your dignity for $10? Now, my dignity doesn't exist in any sense which makes selling it meaningful. So it's kind of like free money. But really it isn't. There's someone out there who can say "I own samatman's dignity, and I got it for cheap". I'm a guy who sold his dignity, and everyone knows it. I feel like people would judge me for that. There are definitely p…

i'd sell my dignity for a million tho. So like anything else, it's just about what the price is. The cost for my soul would be much lower.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by mbfg »

vintermann wrote: post #249
zwirbl wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it just as foolish to assume there to be a good?

No. These questions have been well explained by a couple of old French philosophers, but they're usually presented in such a weak form ("weak man") that their answers aren't appreciated. Pascal's infamous wager, for instance. It's usually rendered in the form of salvation and probability, but it's better for modern people to think of it in terms of meaning rather than salvation, and the probabilistic part of it can b…

Things matter to me, and that's all i need.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by mbfg »

suifbwish wrote: post #261
vintermann wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. These questions have been well explained by a couple of old French philosophers, but they're usually presented in such a weak form ("weak man") that their answers aren't appreciated. Pascal's infamous wager, for instance. It's usually rendered in the form of salvation and probability, but it's better for modern people to think of it in terms of meaning rather than salvation, and the probabilistic part of it can b…

Precisely. If atheists are correct and there is not a god, you gain/lose nothing. However if the other side is correct and God does exist, the risk of existential woe is unfathomable. (None of this describes a personal perspective, merely things I’ve read)

atheists don't say there is no god. At least the general definition of atheism. Only that there is no reason to believe that there is one.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by mbfg »

highspeedbus wrote: post #178
alangibson wrote: post #73

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That's not the way math works. G-d himself can't reverse a hash. Before you go invoking the "miracle" loophole, consider that miracles are logically impossible. If an impossible thing happens, then it was not in fact impossible. We just didn't understand the rules.

God is supernatural by definition. Anything we can compute, analyze and give logical meaning is just regular science.

For a god to have value to humans, however, that god would have to interact in some way with the natural world. Those things can be detected by science.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by mbfg »

swayvil wrote: post #127
hodgesrm wrote: post #11

Notes for those planning to sell your soul online: eBay specifically prohibits such transactions. [1] Compared to some online bans, the reasoning is pleasingly coherent. eBay does not allow the auctioning of human souls for the following reasons: If the soul does not exist, eBay could not allow the auctioning of the soul because there would be nothing to sell. However, if the soul does exist then, in accordance with…

As I understand it, "soul" is synonymous with "attention". That is : you direct it and concentrate it. And it is prone to distraction (temptation?). Given that, we are all well familiar with our soul. And its manipulation is a common everyday occurrence.

I think many religious people would disagree with your definition. That's the problem with any discussions of the "soul". It is poorly defined.
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