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Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by quanticle »

WoodenChair wrote: post #66
quanticle wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've found the only safe strategy with social media/society is just to be very careful/clear/explicit with what you Tweet in the first place so that it can't be taken out of context. Twitter, as a medium, is anti-context. The UI, the character limit, the behavior of the most prominent voices on the platform, everything encourages you to post hot takes that require as little context as possible to drive engagement.…

> everything encourages you to post hot takes that require as little context as possible to drive engagement. > Being "careful/clear/explicit about what you Tweet in the first place so that it can't be taken out of context" is equivalent to not Tweeting at all. No, I don't think it's the same as not Tweeting at all. In my experience it just requires self control (which we all lack sometimes and mess up as I certainly…

> Saying the constraints of the platform encourage you to post hot takes is like saying the constraints of modern working life encourage you to eat junk food.

I don't think that's the correct analogy. I would phrase it more like, "The constraints of being at a bar encourage you to drink alcohol." Of course, you can go to a bar and order a Coca Cola or whatever. But that's not what the bar is set up for. Similarly, you certainly can go on Twitter and post anodyne thoughts about anodyne topics. But that's not what Twitter is set up for.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by jsmeaton »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #147
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I actually really respect that they axed something within a timely span, posted about their thoughts, and well, lately the Twitter team has been killing it as far as deploying features and long talked about stuff, so it's all good. The idea of Fleets, whether it was inspired by Stories etc, was another way to engage users and it did have some usefulness. I love the 24hr disappearing thing on IG and I liked it si…

The glaring omission is a time limited typo edit window. Just ducking ship it already.

They have! With Twitter Blue (Canada + Australia only, $4/month or something) you can edit tweets within a short window.

Imagine - a $4/m edit button. What a joke.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by geewee »

fleddr wrote: post #211

"We’ll explore more ways to address what holds people back from participating on Twitter." Perhaps I can help. Twitter is always angry. You'll find the most idiotic, extreme, harmful statements from both sides of the political spectrum. Worse, Twitter actively rewards it. The more unhinged and controversial, the more engagement you get. The replies will be equally angry. Any attempt to add nuance or reason is futile.…

Honestly I think this is very dependent on what bubble you end up in. There's isn't really any outrage anywhere in my feed.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

ALittleLight wrote: post #228
dfabulich wrote: post #191

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It's not just technical. Jack doesn't want it. https://www.wired.com/story/jack-dorsey-wont-get-edit-tweet-... > Dorsey was unusually direct: “The answer is no,” he says. > “The reason there's no edit button [and] there hasn't been an edit button traditionally is we started as an SMS text messaging service," explains Dorsey. "So as you all know, when you send a text, you can’t really take it back. We wanted to preser…

But there is a delete button for tweets...

And tweets can be 280 characters.

I respect the decision itself if he's trying to uphold a certain feel—but "preserving the vibe of SMS" is pretty weak as far as justifications go.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by polm23 »

btown wrote: post #168
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #21

Kudos to Twitter for pulling the plug on a high profile feature that wasn't working out. I saw some reasonably interesting Fleets at first, but it quickly devolved into a low-effort self promotion feature as they noted: > Although we built Fleets to address some of the anxieties that hold people back from Tweeting, Fleets are mostly used by people who are already Tweeting to amplify their own Tweets Eventually I stop…

The one thing that Fleets had going for them, that I think Twitter needs more than anything, is the fact that they are fleeting . Many people, myself included, are afraid to tweet something inane on main, lest we forget to delete it (or lest it be archived by a crawler), and have it taken out of context years later in a way that might damage our careers. But it doesn't follow that "something is fleeting, therefore it…

There are already plenty of 3rd party services to auto-delete tweets after any condition you can want to specify.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by skinkestek »

kyle-rb wrote: post #249
skinkestek wrote: post #230

> We built Fleets as a lower-pressure, ephemeral way for people to share their fleeting thoughts. We hoped Fleets would help more people feel comfortable joining the conversation on Twitter. If anyone from twitter reads this, here's one thing that could get me to post more: Give us pseudonyms. Guarantee that you won't leak them to media or mobs. I understand you'll have to givw them to the police sometimes but the po…

What's the difference between this and simply making multiple accounts?

Convenience.

And the promise. Edit: since this is transparent Twitter we could even get an high level explanation on how to make sure such pseudonymous accounts technically cannot be linked back unless three persons in three jurisdictions - of which at least one is a customer ombudsperson - agree that there is a valid request from a law enforcement agency and then electronically sign it.

Seems a tall order when you can just create more accounts? Well creating new accounts forces you to give up your phone number meaning you are a sitting duck the moment anything gets leaked.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by andy_ppp »

renewiltord wrote: post #219
andy_ppp wrote: post #101

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Great, make your account private then… or do you want all the benefits of a completely public account without any of the costs? I’m not suggesting blocked people should be able to interact with your content, just that they can still read it. This applies especially to information being disseminated by government.

I mean, I could just as well say "Log out of your account then". That will negate the effect of the block.

Yes, it’s inconvenient though, I’m trying to be informed about what everyone thinks, even very thin skinned people who hit the block button at a tiny difference in opinion, some of their opinions are informative and helpful to me so yes as the information is in the public domain it should still be easy to access.

The difference here is that my change to blocking doesn’t affect the things you’ve said one bit, how will someone misunderstanding your tweets but not being able to interact affect you, you’ll never interact with them misunderstanding you! Why you want Twitter to lie to you about the availability of information you produce is not really for me. Maybe you should be clearer in your tweets if people outside of your audience are misunderstanding you?

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by ___luigi »

par wrote: post #4

> Although we built Fleets to address some of the anxieties that hold people back from Tweeting, Fleets are mostly used by people who are already Tweeting to amplify their own Tweets this is exactly my problem with Twitter. It's an even bigger echo chamber than FB. As much as I try, I can't seem to escape the oversaturated bubble of a handful of extremely loud mouthed tweeters and their ardent followers. Mix in the t…

> .. bigger echo chamber than FB.

I would question this line, FB has a serious challenge to address in this space.

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