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Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Just to put it in a perspective: an iMac bought in January 2019 (kaby lake) is not supported by Windows 11. That’s just crazy. If Microsoft will continue like that, Windows will be the new Android and you can’t invest into new hardware, as it may be garbage already two years later.

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Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Not sure how not supporting old devices is extinguish for Linux but okay. I work at MS so I have some background, but even I was vocally opposed to this. The real pushback for hardware floor came from IHVs and PMs. IHVs don't want to support your old hardware beyond 2-5 years thanks to what they're seeing in phone market. We've had multiple user impacting bugs that graphic vendors I won't name would not fix because t…

I could see this as an ecosystem thing; Microsoft is maybe trying to push OEMs into using "more capable" hardware for some definition of "more capable"? Reminds me of the issues Vista had where it seemed to implicitly require higher spec devices. This could be a different approach to the same kind of pressure.

Not really, or at-least as far as I'm aware.

With Vista, they wanted to deprecate GDI and introduce WDDM with a desktop compositor so display and memory requirements were quite intensive for the day. No such major change with 11 AFAIK. The low-end hardware still runs just as smooth. As I said originally, it is more related to the unwillingness of IHVs to support hardware for as long as Windows does.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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The TPM gets the measurements of the state of the system during different phases of the boot process, and only releases the key if those measurements match. It's also designed to not be able to be able to extract the key material out of it.

Measurements of what? What if swap out my GPU? Or RAM?

The measurements are of system firmware and bootloader stages + configuration. If you change any of those...

Then, in the case of full drive encryption, you'll be asked for the BitLocker recovery key at bootup.

If you used Windows Hello for authentication, that option wouldn't be available - making you have to use your password instead to login.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Even the most die-had MS user is not excited about Windows and hasn't been for the last decade. Operating systems are finished products at this point.

People say this all the time, but it certainly isn't true. I for one, I am excited about Windows 11 because its finally things coming together. 64bit only, dropping old cruft, making the UI consistent/cleaner.. If you like tech/gaming - there is a lot to be excited about. PC and Console gaming with Game pass ultimate is a hell of a deal... Plus WSLg, Android apps ... i mean come on, its pretty f'n cool.

Agree, plus some techs that were only available for their console are coming to desktop which would gain quite a lot of performance boost for low to mid tier budget desktop.

UI change is icing on the cake but more or less it's huge update for consumer OS. Obviously folks here are pretty much isolated from mass market though.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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I built a new desktop PC 2 months ago. I bought the only Ryzen APU (new, not used) I could find online here in Brazil. Ryzen 2200G, Zen 1st gen. Released in 2018, still selling worldwide. Brand new machine. Not supported by Windows 11...

Supported by Windows 10 until at least 2025... i don't see the problem here

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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So the owners of that hardware will continue using Windows 10. Or, if they desperately need Win 11, the resale value of "good enough to do homework on" computers is still pretty good. But judging by the Win 10 rollout, the people who care enough to have the latest Windows to want it are a very small minority who have recent hardware anyway. I would bet it's a marketing choice, to ensure the the rollout is smooth and…

It has nothing to do with performance. It is almost certainly either due to malware concerns or DRM protections.

Windows 11 benchmarks have shown improvements over windows 10 - i'm sure we'll see more starting this next week as the insider build gets out in the wild

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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I wonder how many will be convinced to install Linux, especially given the increasing move for Operating Systems as a browser shim.

I know someone who asked me to install Ubuntu on their machine when W7 support ended. Within a few days I got another phone call asking for help switching back to Windows.

There were just too many little issues - print quality being bad, WiFi cutting out etc. etc. I did the same once I started working from home.

Until the Linux community prioritises jank reduction and QOL improvements over solving sexy academic problems, it will not get long term mainstream adoption.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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post #249

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I remember when win2k was "the last good windows" and then windows xp after it. I $CURRENT-2 is always going to be considered "the last good windows".

Windows 8 will never be considered "the last good windows"...

Neither was Windows ME (Millennium Edition).

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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> If Microsoft truly believes that encrypting your drive is going to stop Moldovan teenagers from hitting your PC with ransomware, maybe a TPM is the solution. After all, security is all about feelings rather than safety. If “encryption at rest” makes consumers feel at ease, so be it.

Tangent on this point: the TPM is obviously useful for corporate users who want hassle-free encryption at rest, but also massively lucrative for software publishers seeking to implement DRM.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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I will once again register my hope that this causes at least a significant portion of windows subscribers to consider non-proprietary alternatives. Linux distros are fundamentally more useful computer systems, open source communities have done dizzying amounts of work to produce mostly-working interop with windows-exclusive software, as well as numerous FOSS alternatives to popular products. I'm not going to lie and…

> Linux distros are fundamentally more useful computer systems Last I checked I can’t play 1080p Netflix on them so I’d say the above is questionable for the average user. Big fan too but the year of the Linux desktop is still a way off

Are you serious? My debian and ubuntu computers can play 4k streaming without problems! (youtube, twitch, etc). I don't see a reason why linux can't play 4K. Could you please elaborate?
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