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Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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> if we're fair there's a difference between a Journalist covering leaked stuff and literally releasing the full unredacted documents to the public. It was actually senior Guardian journalists who compromised the cables by publishing the password Assange had entrusted them with. That's what led to the unredacted copies being made available. Jonathan Cook has written about it here: https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2…

Before the cables, there were the leaks on Afghanistan and Iraq that were unredacted.

Both the Iraq and Afghanistan leaks were redacted.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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>what is the general accusation of his crimes? Realistically, he simply pissed off members of the ruling class of the US. Their presence has become significantly more obvious in recent years. Other than that, I'd say it's mostly a 'show me the man, I'll show you the crime' sort of thing.

In reality he laundered hacked materials he knowingly received from an adversarial to the USA nation state actor, and released it deliberately to interfere with the US election process to damage a POTUS candidate he didn't like.

I'd like to understand the difference between "interfere[nce] with the US election process" and releasing true information that some voters use to inform their vote.

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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Is there any way to vote against the current way the FBI/CIA operates? They are straight up coercing witnesses with fake testimonies to get a man prison, whose only crime was sharing the truth about the shameful inner workings of our American government.

A politician in conflict with the FBI and CIA?

Someone who makes comments such as "Deep State Department," "drain the Swamp," and "witchhunt"?

I'm having Trumble thinkinp of one. I Don't know aldbody offhand.

He would have to be backed by the US military to have a realistic shot against such powerful factions of the US oligarchy. Who's popular with the military?

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You don't feel bad for him because you have misunderstood what actually happened? Wikileaks had an encrypted file but it was a Guardian journalist that published the key to decrypt it. What you are suggesting is that Wikileaks should censor the source files before journalists got them . That is not how proof works. Redacted files isn't proof but tampered evidence. The fault is 100% on the person that leaked the decry…

Saint Julian reused the same password on multiple different files. Ask yourself why he might commit such a slipshod error. > Wikileaks should censor the source files before journalists got them. WikiLeaks, like anyone, should take prudent steps to avoid doxxing people. If you can't understand why doxxing people is bad, then I have nothing to say to you.

This has nothing to do with doxxing. You cannot discuss something by using the wrong words to try to force a (false) point. Besides, I don't like Julian assange so the whole Saint thing you got going only make you look childish.

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What an absolute joke. FBI/CIA recruits a child molester to lie about Assange. https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2015/09/25/siggi_the... Who on earth isn’t asking at this point “Are we (US intel agencies) the baddies?”

> are we the baddies I'm quite torn. I feel like a dissonance in theory and practice is at play here. If you ask people about "American values" a lot of times you'll come up with things around freedom, liberty, in general individualism and protection from the "other" of tyrannical government. That's the theory. In practice, those individuals that make up U.S. intelligence agencies justify the dissonance between their…

I think this is a false dichotomy all together. Staying true to the values you promised to defend does not mean you are automatically hand over the power to the next, much worse tyranny. If Assange would have gone free and unbothered the only real hard consequence for our governments would be a PR debacle (which arguably already happened). And a strong precedent that whistleblowers can blow their whistle without having their lives destroyed by tyranny.

That means more people can blow the whistle which should be no issue if you are the good ones and act ethically sound.

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What an absolute joke. FBI/CIA recruits a child molester to lie about Assange. https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2015/09/25/siggi_the... Who on earth isn’t asking at this point “Are we (US intel agencies) the baddies?”

Who exactly thinks the CIA does any good in the world?

Re: Key witness in Assange case admits to lies in indictment

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What an absolute joke. FBI/CIA recruits a child molester to lie about Assange. https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2015/09/25/siggi_the... Who on earth isn’t asking at this point “Are we (US intel agencies) the baddies?”

> Who on earth isn’t asking at this point “Are we (US intel agencies) the baddies?” There's a whole political party whose dominant position is to go "rah rah" and paint pretty much any criticism of these agencies as unpatriotic. It is still not a settled opinion in the US that waterboarding is torture.

So glad Barack Obama closed down Guantanamo and stopped the persecution of whistleblowers...oh wait

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Look. I’ve met Assange and he felt like an asshole. I also agree Wikileaks was used to manipulate an election in the US, but, from that to claim he runs a “hostile intelligence service” is a bit too much.

I haven't met him. You aren't the first person who has, who has said that. But personality aside, I don't think it's reasonable to charge him with espionage and treachery. He can't be a traitor, because he's never been a citizen - he owes no loyalty. And he's no spy - he just reported the information that was given to him. There are accusations that he failed to "redact". The fact is that a Guardian journalist that A…

The audio recordings of Assange calling the state department warning them about this decryption key issue was released by PV last year. Assange was literally doing the right thing by warning them that someone else was going to release unredacted files and they should be aware of it. Assange was trying to prevent any harm but the state department ignored it.

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> For example, in the muller report, a more extensive investigation, the specific hacking unit is identified. How exactly did they arrive at that attribution? > Today we know APT-28 was responsible, and they're members of the GRU. How do we know that? No offense, but out of all the places I thought at least people on HN should be aware about the massive caveats that modern-day cyber attribution comes with. The vast m…

I'd suggest reading the relevant portions of the muller report and the related indictments of the GRU agents. > The vast majority of times it's just "educated guesses" based on identifiers that any smart adversary will know how to spoof and thus utilize as false leads. No, I'd say people on hn often vastly overstate the lengths people are willing to go to to create these false flag attacks. If we believed hn, no atta…

> I'd suggest reading the relevant portions of the muller report and the related indictments of the GRU agents.

Why can't you just spell out the method of attribution, instead requiring me to read trough dozens of, mostly political, reports?

> The attack, carried out with many technical signifiers of a Russian state backed attack, that was used to geopolitically help Russia was Russian.

Technical signifiers are not difficult to spoof, nothing about them requires any nation state backing as they rely on heuristics which are semi-public.

That's been the reality of the "cyber theater" for decades: It's asymmetric, there's been more than one example of some lone kid on the spectrum, living in their parents basement, pwning very important and advanced national infrastructure at scale.

That's why I'm very skeptical when a cyber incident is instantly declared as "state level!", usually that's just part of PR and damage control script, along the lines of: "The adversary was a whole nation state, there's nothing we could have done to prevent this from happening!".

Even when the methods deployed are anything but exclusive to nation state actors: Spear-phishing and social engineering are not types of attacks that require nation state resources or knowledge, there's a whole grey market industry offering such attacks as a service.

> The alternative is that someone (who?) was capable enough to infiltrate Russian cyber intelligence resources to then launch an attack on the us, which they then used to geopolitically assist Russia.

Why would that be the only alternative? Your alternative assumes that the attribution to the Russian cyber intelligence is a fact beyond doubt.

> I'm not sure I can think of any attack where someone tried to successfully frame another nation.

That's because if said attack is successful, you wouldn't even know about it being such an attack, that's the crux of the problem.

> Far more likely is that successfully impersonating a state cyber attack is actually really really difficult, because doing so successfully would in general require persistent access to the state actor you're impersonating.

As mentioned before: Nobody needs to impersonate a state cyber attack because by now that's the default assumption not just by media but often enough by those affected themselves to cover up for their own InfoSec negligence.

"We got pwned by the whole Russian intelligence apparatus using massive resources!" sounds much more impressive, and sympathy inducing ,than "We got pwned by some kid from Ukraine because we don't patch our stuff/one of our employees got phished".

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> Who on earth isn’t asking at this point “Are we (US intel agencies) the baddies?” There's a whole political party whose dominant position is to go "rah rah" and paint pretty much any criticism of these agencies as unpatriotic. It is still not a settled opinion in the US that waterboarding is torture.

So glad Barack Obama closed down Guantanamo and stopped the persecution of whistleblowers...oh wait

Also, he punished those responsible for the CIA torture program. Oh, wait, he didn't because "morale was so bad". Americans are a joke when it comes to their supposed values.
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