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Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by actuator » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:51 PM UTC

apozem wrote: post #34

MarcScott wrote: post #17

Developers can use their own payment systems, and MS take nothing. That's a bit of a kick in the teeth to Apple.

Absolutely. Microsoft doesn't have a large existing Windows Store business to protect, so why not make Apple's life harder? I think it's also the solution that best meets the reality of apps in 2021. Big third-party devs like Netflix and Amazon will opt out of in-app purchase entirely before giving a cut to the platform owner. May as well let them use their own payment system so users get a better experience than sig…

It is such a welcome thing. Big platforms like Netflix, Spotify don't owe any revenue share to Apple, Microsoft or others. They made their own brand and have been responsible for their own success.

These big OS/device companies in fact compete with them with unfair advantages like pre installed apps, prominent product placement on AppStore and closed/early integrations.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by philliphaydon » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:51 PM UTC

silicon2401 wrote: post #180

satysin wrote: post #94

So to summerize what they have announced (so far) - * A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? * A new start menu design * Windows have rounded corners * Some built in apps such as the Xbox app and Microsoft Store have been redesigned (Xbox Game Pass and xCloud built into the Xbox app) * New touch keyboard (SwiftKey?) with improved…

> A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup Looks like I'll be skipping windows 11 and any future windows iterations if this is unavoidable

Looking at windows 11 I might move back from linux.

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Post by dawnerd » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:52 PM UTC

jtvjan wrote: post #209

dawnerd wrote: post #7

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Microsoft needs to hire a proper UX/UI team. It looks like developers designed it.

If developers designed it, it wouldn't have all these rounded corners, superfluous animations, and useless padding everywhere.

It would if you have product people saying they want it to look like Macos but just lets the developers run with it.

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Post by johncalvinyoung » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:54 PM UTC

mimsee wrote: post #176

mrweasel wrote: post #152

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What I don’t get is hospitals buying things like MRI scanners, with Windows based “controller” with no upgrade path. The hospital, and the manufacturer, knows that the version of Windows they’re running will be EOL before the hardware, yet nobody ask the manufacturer how they plan to deal with that fact. The promise of Windows 10 being the last Windows could have but an end to that nonsense.

> ...with no upgrade path. The manufacturer of the MRI machine doesn't care. In their mind the "upgrade path" is to buy a new one. That might support the current iteration of Windows + their drivers until the next Windows is released. Sure it's nonsense but the hospital can't just not have an MRI machine. They need one and someone will capitalize on that need.

MRI machines aren't like a copier. They're million-plus dollar room-sized installs that require massive facilities support, custom spaces, and in many places in the US, a certificate of need to allow you to purchase and install it (distributed geographically by population and governmental formulas).

I suspect the 'replacement' or 'upgrade' market for such machines is very very low. Major capital expenditure intended to be amortized/depreciated over many years.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:54 PM UTC

The lack of support for start menu folders and named groups of apps probably means that not only with the Start Menu suck even worse than in Win 8-10, but third party replacements will no longer have the data available to restore a decent experience.

As with the “task bar only can be attached to the bottom of the screen”, um, “feature”, I really don’t get this. Okay, sure, MS targets a default UX that I’m not partial too, fine, maybe its better for more of the market; lots of it is subjective so I don’t expect my tastes to be catered to in every default. But why throw roadblocks in the way of what people who don’t prefer the default experience have been doing for years to optimize their personal experience?

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

satya71 wrote: post #243

kleiba wrote: post #226

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I'm not a Windows person but recently had to go through the setup process on my parents' newly purchased desktop machine. As far as I could tell, creating a user account just locally was not possible, you had to have an online account, hooked up with a valid email address. Given that most free email providers require you to provide your phone number (I don't own a phone), I had to do some digging--- all just to creat…

It's possible, but only if you don't connect to the internet. See https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-set-up-windows-10-with-a...

Yes which is why you don't connect to wifi right away. But I've installed Windows without an internet connection many times.

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Post by lp0_on_fire » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

JoshTriplett wrote: post #206

lp0_on_fire wrote: post #182

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Let's hope not, thank you. It's one thing to force an update that just makes background improvements. It's another thing entirely to force a UI update that breaks your workflow. Most of us just got the people we support used to the new design now they're going to up and change it completely again. My Grandmother has basically given up using the computer because she doesn't have the mental energy to relearn a UI every…

Software developers around the world don't have to build software compatible with your old car, and get blamed for any incompatibility. There have already been posts showing that there's an option to put the start menu back on the left if you want that. Hopefully there will be options to deal with other inconveniences. As it stands, this already looks like it fixes many of the complaints people had about Windows 10;…

> Software developers around the world don't have to build software compatible with your old car, and get blamed for any incompatibility.

That sounds like a problem for software developers, not my grandmother. Now she can't use _any_ software because she has to relearn the OS every few years. She doesn't have that much time left on this earth and I don't blame her for not wanting to expend the mental energy on learning something that's just gonna change for no apparent reason a few years down the road.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by timw4mail » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

BitwiseFool wrote: post #125

_benj wrote: post #49

I honestly was expecting more "innovation", more daring decisions and deep convictions that "this new way", even though it might get some backlash, will prove to improve the wellbeing of it's users, even if they don't know it yet. I haven't seen anything like that since the days of Steven Jobs and it kind of saddens me. Have we reached a plateau in tech? Are we just up for making more of the same, just a little diffe…

I was hoping 11 would get rid of a bunch of old Windows backwards compatibility cruft. Make Windows 10 the long-run version and Windows 11 the forward looking one. Almost like what Apple did with Mac OS X.

16bit support isn't legacy enough? No 32bit install?

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Post by DethNinja » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:57 PM UTC

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #79

DethNinja wrote: post #13

So taskbar extends horizontally and places icons in the middle, which means: 1. It creates unnecessary visual clutter in the right and left sides and takes up valuable space. 2. Users will have harder time clicking to start button. I’m having hard time seeing what is UX benefit of this?

Why does MacOS do it?

But macOS does it differently, visually it looks far pleasing that what is shown here.

I’m not a huge fan of macOS dock bar but UX wise it isn’t so bad.

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Post by OGWhales » Thu, Jun 24, 2021, 5:57 PM UTC

neogodless wrote: post #174

rhengles wrote: post #136

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I found a link to a tool[0] that checks your PC compatibility with Windows 11, but it seems that many many people with powerful devices are getting a "No" answer. [0] https://twitter.com/_h0x0d_/status/1408075658350108674

Looks like AMD systems might mostly be coming back as "This PC can't run Windows 11." > Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0 Possibly most AMD motherboards don't have TPM integrated? I don't know a lot about TPM though. Someone said... > enable tpm in your bios i did it and it worked for me, I have a 3080, 5800x, 16gb of ram EDIT: My motherboard (Asus Prime X470 Pro) lists TPM as a separate module you buy, but t…

Thanks for this info.

Supposedly the fTPM should work with Ryzen CPUs and offer TPM 2.0, but I can't confirm now either.

Similar deal to yours, my Gigabyte x570 board offers TPM cards: https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/TPM-Card. I am assuming this is unnecessary tho, but good to know.