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Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by osipov »

lame-robot-hoax wrote: post #132
osipov wrote: post #58

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>The injection is intramuscular, not into the bloodstream. Recent research (per No Agenda shownotes) showed that unlike traditional vaccines, Moderna mRNA spread through the bloodstream producing and distributing spike protein in the entire body.

What do you mean by “spread through the bloodstream”? Of course even in an IM injection, some will end up in the blood stream. The better question is the overall amount that stays within the deltoid vs that that travels elsewhere, and how the compares to natural infection. How does the virus deposit itself around the body vs. how does the spike protein via vaccination deposit itself around the body. As well, with the…

My point is different: the mRNA molecule travels through the bloodstream and escapes the deltoid in quantities magnitude larger than an attenuated virus in a traditional vaccine. Then, onces mRNA is spread throughout the body, the cells use the mRNA to manufacture spike protein and spread the virus even further.

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Post by 0-_-0 »

eganist wrote: post #259
0-_-0 wrote: post #253

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Might be referring to this study: https://trialsitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Pfizer-...

I mean, reading the discussion/conclusion via google translate, this seems to be a study on metabolism of the vaccine? Open to being fact-checked, but this doesn't seem related. In any case, the only statement I found on health effects in the discussion/conclusion was "No toxic findings indicating liver damage were found in the rat repeated-dose toxicity test ( M2.6.6.3 )." but I don't speak Japanese and I'm sure usi…

What I belive this might show (still trying to figure this out) is how the lipid nanoparticles from the vaccine are distributed in the body. Page 7 shows particularly high concentration in the ovaries for example. I think the idea of the vaccine should be that the intramuscular injection stays in the muscle and the spike proteins don't get into your blood, but this was never actually directly verified. What this study shows is that the vaccine lipid coating (and thus likely the spike proteins) get into your blood, which when binding to the ACE2 receptor can cause different kinds of damage. E.g. binding to platelets is what can cause clotting. I'm not sure about any of this yet, just started looking into it a few hours ago.

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Post by Santosh83 »

hnarn wrote: post #255
sudoaza wrote: post #37

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That's about the same rate as clots in AstraZeneca's vaccine.

This feels like a pretty lazy anecdote to mention off hand without any context of how these two side effects compare in terms of lethality.

Blood clots from the adenovirus vector vaccines are far more lethal than the myocarditis. A good fraction die because the clot happens to be CVST (in the brain).

The mRNA vaccines seem to be the safest overall, although there is curiously little data coming in from inactivated virus vaccines. I'd be interested in seeing if they cause similar issues as the other two.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by hollerith »

Kognito wrote: post #25

Very interesting given one of the lesser known complications of covid can be myocarditis in otherwise healthy individuals with few or no other covid symptoms. In fact, it’s likely the incidence of covid-induced myocarditis is vastly underreported given it often shows no symptoms and can only reasonably be diagnosed with a cardiac MRI which is not always widely available or advised for less-serious heart conditions. I…

The vaccine and the virus both expose the body to large amounts of the spike protein.

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Post by m0llusk »

This is reporting 283 diagnosed cases versus 10-102 expected which is still a very small number relative to vaccine doses distributed. Also, causality is still not proven. Given the sample it could be that at least some of these are steroid users as that is also associated with myocarditis. Investigation is still very much just beginning, and in any case the numbers are so small that the vaccines still appear to be quite safe and very much safer than many other activities such as driving.

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Post by PostThisTooFast »

trhway wrote: post #242
munificent wrote: post #166

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> As a healthy 30 year old I would prefer to take my risk with covid than take these vaccines. Unfortunate that you're also unilaterally forcing everyone you come into contact with to take that same risk if you are infected without realizing it.

> everyone you come into contact with to take that same risk how come so if those "everyone" got vaccinated? I mean all the risk groups who has clearly higher risk from covid than vaccine should definitely go for vaccine. The rest - personal choice of risk. And as a healthy 49 years old, i'm taking my chance with covid and have no plans for vaccination (i was always laughing at anti-vaxxers, yet seeing all misinforma…

Then you're an asshole, because you make yourself a petri dish for virus mutation that could produce a much deadlier variant and cost us all dearly... again.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by Kognito »

nonbirithm wrote: post #246
Kognito wrote: post #147

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If you’re in a position to do so, I’d strongly recommend you get checked out if you’re having any kind of chest pain as your heart rate rises. I lost count of how many times I was told “you’re too young to have any heart issues” before eventually being diagnosed with myo. FWIW I’m younger than you and though mild, my symptoms seem to have taken 9 months to mostly resolve.

I'm also young and have had mild to moderate chest pain (stabbing) that comes in bursts and can last hours. This was after what I thought was a cardiac event in February of 2019, a year before the pandemic, when I suddenly started feeling lightheaded and seeing stars, but the EMS said nothing was wrong. Before that moment I never had any chest pain, and it still comes back to this day occasionally. I must have had an…

Sorry to hear about all that. I know it can be incredibly anxiety-inducing having any heart related issues, particularly at a young age when it's the last thing on your mind.

Frustratingly, it sounds like you've done everything you can. The ECG is extremely sensitive to any change in heart function so that's positive if it's showing normal results (was the only indicator for me - other than an MRI). Obviously you're still experiencing some symptoms, but between the ultrasound and stress test, they'd have seen if there were any structural abnormalities or any issues with function, valves, blockages, etc - so perhaps that's some reassurance.

Not to belittle from your experience in the slightest, but I wonder if you've considered other causes? Easy to think the worst but a surprising number of people end up in the ER suspecting heart attacks with only bad cases of heartburn (acid-reflux). Panic attacks are another common one. I only mention these as I think the anxiety and panic I experienced due to the stress was probably worse than the actual condition.

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Post by PostThisTooFast »

oogabooga123 wrote: post #199
throwaway5752 wrote: post #171

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I would "take your chances" (quotes because it's both rare and temporary according to the linked article) with the vaccine rather than risk infection with covid: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cog...

Very interesting! But I would rather just get infected. To each their own, I’m sure we can agree!

Wrong. You're making yourself a petri dish for virus mutation, which could produce a much deadlier variant and kill vaccinated people.

Is that your goal?

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Post by munificent »

trhway wrote: post #242
munificent wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a healthy 30 year old I would prefer to take my risk with covid than take these vaccines. Unfortunate that you're also unilaterally forcing everyone you come into contact with to take that same risk if you are infected without realizing it.

> everyone you come into contact with to take that same risk how come so if those "everyone" got vaccinated? I mean all the risk groups who has clearly higher risk from covid than vaccine should definitely go for vaccine. The rest - personal choice of risk. And as a healthy 49 years old, i'm taking my chance with covid and have no plans for vaccination (i was always laughing at anti-vaxxers, yet seeing all misinforma…

> how come so if those "everyone" got vaccinated?

Well, for starters, the vaccine isn't available for anyone under the age of 12.

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Post by nonbirithm »

Kognito wrote: post #267
nonbirithm wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also young and have had mild to moderate chest pain (stabbing) that comes in bursts and can last hours. This was after what I thought was a cardiac event in February of 2019, a year before the pandemic, when I suddenly started feeling lightheaded and seeing stars, but the EMS said nothing was wrong. Before that moment I never had any chest pain, and it still comes back to this day occasionally. I must have had an…

Sorry to hear about all that. I know it can be incredibly anxiety-inducing having any heart related issues, particularly at a young age when it's the last thing on your mind. Frustratingly, it sounds like you've done everything you can. The ECG is extremely sensitive to any change in heart function so that's positive if it's showing normal results (was the only indicator for me - other than an MRI). Obviously you're…

It's not belittling; I was considering much the same. My conclusion is that I definitely had anxiety during all those episodes, and the anxiety made the symptoms worse to some extent. My first panic attacks I ever experienced were caused by the symptoms early on when I had no evidence this was going to become chronic and relatively benign. I would be relieved if I could explain away my symptoms as mere hypochondria or acid reflux.

But I persisted for a while in the face of that because I felt that my body was trying to tell me something. Pain is a mechanism we've evolved with to indicate various abnormalities. I was willing to bet there was a reason behind the pain, instead of it serving no purpose whatsoever, and especially because this concerned the region where my heart was located, I felt it was urgent, since my heart is one thing that has to function for me to stay alive.

My unresolved anxiety is that I still haven't found the reason, so there has never been any closure for me. Worse, I might not be getting the treatment I need to prolong my lifespan. It's terrifying when considering that possibility in full, so I've had no choice but to put it out of my mind.

I stopped taking a lot of things about how I'm still alive for granted, but I've actually had start taking many of them for granted again, because if I didn't I would become completely paralyzed by fear for entire days. I had to find the balance between worrying about every potential cause of death I could face within the next hour causing desperation and expending my time being unproductive.

I did at least have a few positive outcomes since then. If it weren't for the constant pain and fear I don't think I would have changed my diet and started exercising as much as I did. The exercise was reassuring in a sense because the pain wasn't correlated with how strenuous it was. But now I try to be more wary about what I put in my body. I just hope it ends up mattering in the end. I wish I didn't have to worry about dying suddenly so often.

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