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Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD

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Post by russellendicott »

vincentpants wrote: post #241
russellendicott wrote: post #227

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I have this same theory with road cyclists. I have no problem with someone bicycling to get to work but there are many other types of exercise that don't involve blocking traffic by making other drivers terrified to hit you. It's like doing jumping jacks at a gun range. There must be a dominance factor at play.

Homie, it has nothing to do with you or your work commute. Cyclists have every legal right to be on the road as a car and if a shoulder lane isn’t safe enough to cycle on then it’s safest and recommended and the law to take up a whole lane to ensure assholes like you don’t risk their safety/lives by trying to squeeze past them in the same lane. Best to just treat them as a car and try to practice patience.

But why would someone choose road cycling for exercise over running on a sidewalk? Road cycling is very expensive and inconveniences people.

Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD

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Post by Gibbon1 »

CraigJPerry wrote: post #5

I can’t wait for electric motorbikes to be more diverse and advanced. I used to be a “my loud exhaust helps me to be seen” kinda guy. Until one day, sat in standstill traffic in my car on the M74 motorway just outside Glasgow, a rider on a BMW S1000XR, with the same loud exhaust as on mine, filtered past the window and I didn’t hear him until he was level with my rear passenger door. Exhausts sound great, i love the…

> “my loud exhaust helps me to be seen”

Friend of mine turned in front of a motorcyclist who had loud pipes and was going about 50 in a 25 mph zone. He was complaining the whole time the EMT's were loading him into the ambulance that my friend was at fault because he had loud pipes.

I don't ride but have nothing against motorcyclists. But I wish there was some sort of tracking device that would warn me when they are around.

Last point something my parents warned me about when learning to drive. Not everyone has great eyesight or hearing, especially older people. Also older people often have limited neck mobility.

Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD

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Post by manyxcxi »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #67
CraigJPerry wrote: post #5

I can’t wait for electric motorbikes to be more diverse and advanced. I used to be a “my loud exhaust helps me to be seen” kinda guy. Until one day, sat in standstill traffic in my car on the M74 motorway just outside Glasgow, a rider on a BMW S1000XR, with the same loud exhaust as on mine, filtered past the window and I didn’t hear him until he was level with my rear passenger door. Exhausts sound great, i love the…

I owned ride 6-7 different motorcycles, and I believe there's a special place in hell for those who put on loud aftermarket exhausts. Sure, it sounds nice to them . It shows an astonishing disregard to thousands of other people they impact daily. Let alone your next 10 neighbour houses who put up with it on consistent basis. ... :O There's no increased safety factor - there's no real location or distance clue such lo…

As someone who was a motorcycle safety instructor, which required a ton of training and memorization of safety statistics for a 20 something year old in order to teach new riders for a few summers during college - the numbers agree with your sentiment.

Loud pipes don’t do squat. All the noise is behind you, no one hears you coming they only hear you going, and at that point they hate you.

Now… I have an admission to make, and public apologies to give. The pipes on my current primary motorcycle are the exact same pipes I had on my previous motorcycle but they are significantly louder and it was way too late to do anything about it that wasn’t going to cost thousands before I realized.

They are not jerk levels loud, but they have enough rumble to them that I essentially do everything I can to idle out of my neighborhood in the morning (I’m a block in from an agricultural road). They don’t really reach “Harley level loud” until I’m at least 85% throttle and on my bike that is basically drag racing level of throttle position.

Here’s the thing- they were incredibly expensive and my bike is completely, _perfectly_, tuned for them with new FI programming, air intake, and full dyno tuning. No accel/decel pops, etc.

So- neighbors, world, I’m truly sorry. When I replace this bike I’ll make sure it doesn’t happen again. Until then, know I feel like a jerk every morning in my new neighborhood basically coasting to the main road.

Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD

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Post by pmontra »

russellendicott wrote: post #261
vincentpants wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Homie, it has nothing to do with you or your work commute. Cyclists have every legal right to be on the road as a car and if a shoulder lane isn’t safe enough to cycle on then it’s safest and recommended and the law to take up a whole lane to ensure assholes like you don’t risk their safety/lives by trying to squeeze past them in the same lane. Best to just treat them as a car and try to practice patience.

But why would someone choose road cycling for exercise over running on a sidewalk? Road cycling is very expensive and inconveniences people.

Cars are usually more expensive than bycicles and inconvenience people too.

Don't get me wrong, I've got both a car and a bicycle, not 100% for road cycling but count it as if it was (it's a gravel bike.)

For me cycling beats running 100-0. I can easily pedal 100+ km but I can't run 100 meters, too tiresome. Furthermore I see 100 km of the world vs a small area around my home.

Ultimately it's all subjective. Each of us likes something different and it's OK.

Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD

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Post by pmontra »

jonahhorowitz wrote: post #207
sdenton4 wrote: post #184

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As a bicyclist, loud motorcycles are the fscking worst. They're deafening and extremely distracting, which is extra terrible if anything complicated is going on. Which there often is, because people on loud bikes are often driving like fscking idiots, dodging between cars who end up nearly crowding me off the road.

I had a motorcycle pass between me and a car while I was in a bike lane. Revved his engine while he was right next to me. Scared the daylights out of me. It sounded like a bomb had gone off. Seriously, screw motorcyclists with loud pipes that drive like idiots.

The keyword is idiot, not loud pipes. To be fair sometimes we cyclists also behave like idiots on the road. Same thing when we get off our bike, get into a car and drive. Of course an idiot with a needless loud exhaust is far worse than a silent one, I agree on that.

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Post by imoverclocked »

art0rz wrote: post #256
johng wrote: post #237

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I’ve always said that an exhaust should only be as loud as the vehicle or motorcycle is fast. I put exhausts on my vehicles and motorcycles that free the flow of air which makes the engine (an air pump) perform better. I never put one on a slow vehicle just to make it louder. Consider this the same as overclocking a cpu. You are burning up more electricity than you “need” to, all for your own personal greed or need f…

Except my PC doesn't wake up the neighborhood.

It might produce EMI though. (if we are picking nits)

Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD

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Post by frosted-flakes »

nosianu wrote: post #240
captainredbeard wrote: post #234

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How do you feel about airplanes?

As a private pilot: The same. I always took extra care to cut back on the engine after takeoff, crossing the homes near the airport more slowly and without ascending much. And I avoided pristine landscapes or at least also slowed down a lot for a much quieter engine and prop. Because when I was at home or in some national park I hated those noisy small planes as much as the next guy. With a propeller the engine is no…

Is the use of leaded gas just because most small planes are old? Do new planes still require leaded gas? It seems absurd that avaiation gas is still leaded when it was phases out decades ago everywhere else.

Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD

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Post by horstmeyer »

Osiris wrote: post #157
NikolaNovak wrote: post #67

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I owned ride 6-7 different motorcycles, and I believe there's a special place in hell for those who put on loud aftermarket exhausts. Sure, it sounds nice to them . It shows an astonishing disregard to thousands of other people they impact daily. Let alone your next 10 neighbour houses who put up with it on consistent basis. ... :O There's no increased safety factor - there's no real location or distance clue such lo…

Modifying the exhaust can add power which is why you never see stock exhausts at the track. But for most riders, the performance improvement is barely noticable. I'm saying this as someone that had an aftermarket exhaust on all of 3 of my street bikes and one of my dirt bikes.

Lose 5 kgs and you'll have gained more performance without annoying other people.

Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD

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Post by tasty_freeze »

russellendicott wrote: post #227
83457 wrote: post #139

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I always assumed that the point of loud vehicles was to assert dominance by being an asshole. If people are annoyed and upset then it is working exactly as intended. You have provoked an emotion that fuels your ego and image of yourself as a bad ass that doesn't care about other people.

I have this same theory with road cyclists. I have no problem with someone bicycling to get to work but there are many other types of exercise that don't involve blocking traffic by making other drivers terrified to hit you. It's like doing jumping jacks at a gun range. There must be a dominance factor at play.

"There must be a dominance factor at play."

It is fine to speculate, but "must" is a strong assumption. Your analogy is also based on flawed data. Yes, when riding on streets there is a chance of getting killed, but getting regular exercise reduces your chance of dying for other reasons. There are many studies that demonstrate this. Here is one:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237214-why-the-health-...

https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j1456

Tell me what you think the benefit:risk ratio is of doing jumping jacks at a gun range.

I have worked from home for a long time, but 15+ years ago I commuted by bike about 12 miles each way three times a week when the weather was good. Dominance had nothing to do with my choice to bike there.

I could ride there by bike in 45 minutes, or I could drive there in 25 minutes (lots of stop and go). Same on the return trip. My mental calculus was I got 90 minutes of exercise for an incremental time expense of 40 minutes. That I was also not polluting was a bonus.

The nearest accident I had ever was one day when I was on connector road that had recently been widened and hadn't yet picked up a lot of use. Despite there being no traffic at that moment, I've always 100% obeyed traffic laws, so I stood over my bike waiting for the red light to change. About 20 seconds into it a pickup truck came screeching to a stop just about five feet behind me - he literally locked the tires and left skid marks. Guess what his reaction was: to shout and scream to the point of spitting that I was lucky to be alive and that I wan an asshole for biking on the road. I still don't know if he saw me all along and it was a calculated dominance display, or if he was daydreaming and really did nearly cream me.

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