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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bryanlarsen »

jeffbee wrote: post #228
bryanlarsen wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To some people machismo means strength, to others machismo means self-reliance. The 11 power outlets and the ability to power your house will really appeal to them. If the world turns Mad Max, someone with an electric truck and a few solar panels won't have to worry about the gasoline gangs.

99% of truck-driving Americans will starve to death in the first month of a societal collapse, and there's nothing their truck can do about it. If you need a truck with a 120 kW-h battery pack it's either going to take a week to charge it from the excess capacity of a domestic solar array, or you need to quadruple the size of said solar array. Either way, between the truck and the solar panels you'd probably have bee…

A water supply, land, seeds, tools, enough food to get to harvest and having neighbors you can trust. Trucks and guns are way less important.

In the case of societal collapse you're probably not going far with your truck so taking a week to charge is probably OK.

But of course it's not about what you really need, it's all about perception. In that race, trucks and guns are the most important.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by gilbetron »

kibwen wrote: post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

That's what I was most excited about, and agree it is a game changer. Hopefully we can get small e-pickups at some point - I have a 2004 Toyota Tacoma that I love, and it would be amazing with a frunk, but you can't really get small pickups that size anymore.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bigtex »

_coveredInBees wrote: post #175

I gotta say, I am very impressed by what I've seen with the F-150. It's clear that a LOT of thought has gone into this product and Ford clearly understands their target audience extremely well. There are so many nice features that are so well tailored to folks who buy trucks. All the features to power job sites, etc is really sweet and I can totally see that being super handy. Heck, it would make it super easy to wor…

Ford has said they reused much of the same parts for the ICE F150 so it makes sense they look very similar. This will also help the model be profitable as well.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by zippergz »

golover721 wrote: post #242
kibwen wrote: post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

Agreed, which makes it strange that it’s only available as a crew cab.

Yeah, this is a bummer for me. I don't really like crew cab (either how it looks, or how it compromises bed length vs. overall truck length), and this really doesn't need it.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by fdroidmstrrce »

leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

I haven't kept up with Ford, but I know they have lane keeping and some sort of adaptive cruise control.

That's Autopilot like anyone else has, it's just not marketed as autopilot.

Anyway, I don't care about Effonefittys, I want an 8 passenger Autopilot vehicle that I can buy used.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by intrepidhero »

endisneigh wrote: post #50

I'm curious, with the advent of electric what's the advantage of a truck vs. a minivan for a lot of situations? IIRC there were literal space constraints before which is why a minivan couldn't tow like a truck, but since the motor and batteries sit underneath the car, couldn't one build a van/minivan with just as much power as this? If that's the case, other than hauling very tall objects, why get a truck? A minivan…

I love my minivan for its versatility but it can't haul gravel, or dirt, or bark dust, or sand, or manure...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rootusrootus »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #258
xwdv wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of them have ever had to carry planks of wood from Home Depot.

The vast majority of suburban pickup truck owners haven’t ever either.

This runs contrary to my experience as a suburban pickup truck owner with many neighbors that also own pickups.

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Post by pokstad »

kibwen wrote: post #150

Ironically, the frunk on electric trucks is a game-changer. Complementing the bed with an enclosed, waterproof, secure place to carry things (and no mucking around with insecure bed covers) is a killer feature. No more springing for a crew cab just to carry groceries in the rear seats. In terms of practical carrying capacity this dominates an SUV.

My Ridgeline truck has a trunk in the bed. It’s amazing.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by nabilhat »

namdnay wrote: post #4

I guess the fact that's it's electric is a good step. But it seems insane to me that we don't do more to discourage massive consumption of what should be utility vehicles. I'm willing to be 80% of people buying an f150 or similar never have been and never will be building contractors or lumberjacks.

It's changed, and recently. In the last 10-20 years the utility of pickups has changed substantially, as well as the fortunes of the people who used them in their jobs. Construction, lumber, and similar are familiar as part of the market of an industry that I'm working with. Until 10-20 years ago, you could hop into a new pickup's bed, or reach the bed floor over the rails. New pickup beds come with folding ladders built in, because they're so high off of the ground it's a requirement for many owners.

New pickups do still get used for construction - but only by the owners and some management can afford a new pickup. New pickups on construction sites pull trailers to put cargo at a human accessible height.

Pickups in lumber jobs are also a luxury. Any vehicle driven to lumber sites will effectively be destroyed, they get bent, bashed, and permanently embedded with filth. The rank and file drive what they can afford and don't mind destroying due to the nature of the job, or they ride in with the rest of a crew, or more and more often they don't drive to a site because they're forced labor rented from prisons.

People who need pickups for everyday, practical uses are using vans, trailers, or buying older pickups. 20 year old pickups are so much more practical than new that certain models in excellent shape will sell for more now than they did when new. New pickups and their predecessors are entirely different vehicles.

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