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Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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It's not a Ponzi scheme because in ponzi scheme you deliberately use late investors money to pay early investors. What happens in cryptocurrency is fake-exchange scheme. Tether is a fake currency printed in unlimited way by bitfinex which is also an exchange. By pretending tethers are real dollars you create the appearance of a stronger market for cryptocurrency than actually exists. It all rests on increasing the nu…

Except that during crashes like this one, what you see is everyone moving their crypto holdings to stablecoins. The intent is to wait things out and then buy back in and profit during the next cycle.

They move to stable coins because most of those exchanges do not have dollar trading, rather you have to have a stablecoin as a middleman between fiat and crypto.

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Everyone should take some time now to learn about Tether, the high likelihood that it is in fact a Ponzi scheme, and that it poses a big systemic risk to the crypto exchanges and therefore the markets themselves [1]. People have been sounding the alarm on Tether for a long time now, but we’re finally getting some hard evidence now to back the allegations [2]. Don’t say you weren’t warned. [1] https://mobile.twitter.c…

Here's a good, up to date primer: https://www.singlelunch.com/2021/05/19/the-tether-ponzi-sche...

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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It's not a Ponzi scheme because in ponzi scheme you deliberately use late investors money to pay early investors. What happens in cryptocurrency is fake-exchange scheme. Tether is a fake currency printed in unlimited way by bitfinex which is also an exchange. By pretending tethers are real dollars you create the appearance of a stronger market for cryptocurrency than actually exists. It all rests on increasing the nu…

Except that during crashes like this one, what you see is everyone moving their crypto holdings to stablecoins. The intent is to wait things out and then buy back in and profit during the next cycle.

The move to stablecoins instead of cash is a reflection of major exchanges not being able to maintain banking relationships.

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undercollaterized loans are valid for one transaction only. You should research what you preach before dismissing others

Uh no, Aave has credit delegation for no collateral loans and it uses OpenLaw contracts to secure a credit line. And there's also TrueFi https://truefi.io/ . And a bunch of others. You can get loans based on credit on Ethereum.

I can buy a car on credit using DeFi right now, is that what you're saying?

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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As an outside observer, who has no crypto holdings at all, but is very deeply invested in the public stock market with a heavy weight on technology stocks... this doesn't look like a crash to me at all. It just looks like some steam being let off and old investors cash out and new investors get more comfortable with how much and where to invest. I consider crypto currency as it is to be an elaborate Ponzi scheme (per…

Bill Gates is getting divorced. I think that is bigger news than Elon Musk not accepting crypto for Tesla’s

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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Coinbase is down for me. Gotta give it to BTC: it's a great store of value. You cannot sell it in panic, the technology is protecting you from your own psychology.

Haha, Kraken is the one I use. They've just disabled their login button with no messaging, which I guess is one way to achieve the same while avoiding a mark on their uptime graph. If I remove the `disabled` attribute then clicking the button does nothing but I get a CORS error in the console.

They're probably doing that to stop BTC from crashing even further. If BTC crashes, altcoins would probably follow (instead of taking BTC's position). Even if they don't follow, just BTC crashing would make exchanges lose the biggest chunk of their income. So shady business, but business as usual.

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You can criticize crypto currency’s for a lot but I still have never seen a good argument for it being a ponzi scheme. Can someone further this argument to one that wouldn't cover every investment asset?

Abductive reasoning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test So you have the non-existent assets, bag holding, difficulty getting out and the promise of above average returns. If I put my money into my saving account then I can get out at a clearly stated time, there is no expectation apart from very little interest and I am reasonably sure that the government will bail out the bank if the bank fails. In between ther…

But you can get out of bitcoin at any time by selling it so it fails that test.

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It's a substantially-manipulated negative-sum distributed Ponzi scheme. The most blatant example of a naked emperor I've seen in my lifetime. And it consumes the energy of Argentina to achieve as much work as a Raspberry Pi.

Missed a couple of early opportunities to buy eh? Don't worry about, expending your energy is going to get you nothing. Even if it all implodes tomorrow all you can do is say "I told you so". And you may feel superior to others, but no one will care. And if it doesn't implode you are here expending energy unnecessarily, which, we have already gathered, is an activity that you don't appreciate.

Classic coiner arguments. "Have fun staying poor!"

For the record I:

(1) Bought during the 2017 run-up, and sold around $17,000 in early 2018, and parlayed that into various other investments that have done quite well. I've posted to that effect here in the past.

(2) Shorted CME futures at $56,000, and a bunch of Coinbase and a bunch of Tesla. That's roughly $100,000 USD per contract in profit - deposited directly into my SIPC insured FINRA regulated account with zero counter-party risk, 60% long term capital gains. Not bad for two weeks work.

You worry about your account, leave mine to me :) I'm talking about crypto on its merits, not its price. The merits of course inform my investment decisions.

There are tons of ways to make money on this planet, HODLing crypto is just one among them. I was addressing the question directly: why do I hate bitcoin? Asked, and answered.

But to supplement: the thing I hate most about crypto are the touts and the community.

Re: Crypto crash deepens, stocks slip

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Why not have 5% or less in BTC, if it does well, good for you, if it does not, its just 5% of your portfolio.

by that logic, why not just buy lotto tickets?

You know... what I am curious, does this logic make sense?

Why wouldn't a given % be allocated to lotto tickets?!

Quite curious from a risk/reward portfolio formula.

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