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Post by lazide »

_huayra_ wrote: post #200
stonogo wrote: post #171

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No, there is no circular argument. If someone thinks the world is an OK place, either they're speaking from a position of privilege or they are lying. Assuming privilege is in this case the kindest interpretation of their words.

Indeed. It is incredibly telling when people attempt to equilibrate "I'm anxious because I'm not sure if I'll be promoted to senior dev this quarter" to "I'm anxious because I cannot feed my family". As someone who has come from the latter circumstances to the former (through a lot of luck and sweat), I can tell you that having the same roof over my head for long periods of time and not having to carefully budget eve…

It’s pointing out that while objectively different, subjectively it’s often the same emotional weight - as counter intuitive as it may be - especially for those that don’t have prior experience or calibration in the objectively more serious environment.

In my experience (as someone who grew up with extensive food insecurity, parents who barely kept the family afloat, etc.), it’s hard NOT to have the bar shift too if you end up in a cushier place later. The promo can feel as bad as it used to feel not knowing where food was coming from, even if objectively that is ridiculous.

We’re very adaptable even if sometimes weirdly so.

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Post by anthk »

kfprt wrote: post #235
nanoshelter wrote: post #223

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This was fake news and you fell for it. Look it up!

I have looked and never found anything, several times in fact. Do you have a source?

I think that's false because even under Sharia driven tribes children under 14 are exempt of any punishment. At least the most severe ones.

Just think about it: if every child had those punishments deserved to adult people, they would be extinct in years. Even the most phanatic Mullah is not that idiot.

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Post by austhrow743 »

moralestapia wrote: post #80
acituan wrote: post #60

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> The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Counter-point; the world is mostly a neutral, even OK, place, with also violence in it. Our cognition is heavily biased towards saliencing and preserving the scary bits, and being exposed to a planet scale showcase of those bits does not necessarily make us wiser (e.g. better decision makers). At least for me personally it took a dec…

>Counter-point; the world is mostly a neutral, even OK, place It isn't, you are lucky to be in a privileged environment. And I don't even mean warzones. People who live paycheck-to-paycheck with family or medical issues wouldn't agree with you.

What are you comparing the world to to say a regular existence in it is not ok? That you think being a regular joe is not ok and worse than neutral tells me more about you than the other commenter imo.

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Post by paganel »

I wonder if all the atrocities committed during the Syrian Civil War still sit somewhere on the open internet, relatively easy to search. I know that at some point LiveLeak was one of the few remaining websites that was still hosting that kind of content, which I personally regard as very important to preserve.

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Post by drawkbox »

nickysielicki wrote: post #17

The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Until you see the actual violence and gore, it doesn't mean anything, it's just empty words. I didn't care at all about wars in the middle east until I saw the reality on Liveleak. Seeing dead children and people with their legs blown off made all the commentary on CNN and Fox seem so understated. A lot is said about desensitization as…

LiveLeak is like those old drivers ed videos, it can make you better by showing how bad things can get.

I remember pre-internet it was Faces of Death [1] (lots faked but still intense), then Ogrish then the makers of Ogrish going to LiveLeak. There is some value in seeing the worst humans have to offer as it gives you a wider picture, but also too much of that is depressing. People should seek out the full spectrum to be based in reality, but also push better quality of life.

As a kid, horror movies were our superhero movies really with late 80s/90s slasher flicks. Fangoria was a big magazine. Then you see things like what actually goes on, seeing the true horrors of the world. Sometimes seeing those things can make you appreciate calm, quality of life focused ways, be nicer to people and try to make the world a better place as it can be raw.

LiveLeak was one of those places you could go to see the video that everyone else was blocking or censoring. ItemFix looks similar just not as intense, more on the WhatCouldGoWrong or IdiotsInCars type level. Always good to have another video site for seeing the broad spectrum of the human condition. Just balance time more towards quality of life, but always know how bad it could be, makes you respect today and appreciate things. Everything in moderation.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faces_of_Death

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Post by techrat »

buryat wrote: post #124
wyattpeak wrote: post #102

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I think the very fact that reading those descriptions is confronting, if it is to you as it is to me, is evidence that you do need exposure to understand that horrible things happen in the world. I understand it academically, but every time I see or read something like this I realise that I don't really understand it.

it's just sick entertainment covered by explanation "I need to see how horrible the world is", and being the audience you create demand for future shock content at expense of human lives. There're better ways to educate yourself and make the world a better place.

> you create demand for future shock content at expense of human lives

The way you phrase this makes it sound like you think people intentionally create these videos where people die just to post it to LiveLeak for people to be entertained by.

A lot of it was stuff that was going to happen anyway that happened to be caught on film.

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Post by asdff »

bonestamp2 wrote: post #230
asdff wrote: post #150

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That sort of coverage doesn't sway people who have decided already not to subscribe to facts, domain experts, or reality. Conservatives would be shown videos of known popular conservatives online storming the capitol, and in all serious start claiming that these people were actually secretly Democrats or something there to make conservatives look bad. Some would call these would be videos of ICUs fake, just like some…

It can sway people if the truth gets out before the falsehoods take root. I saw the videos from China in early January of people falling over in the streets and emergency rooms. I showed that stuff to my conservative news watching family members before the news here was covering the virus. I believe that saved the ones who would have otherwise believed what conservative media was saying early -- they knew it was real…

The problem is the conspiracy machine often works faster than the truth. You got there early, many others with the wool over there eyes aren't so lucky, especially when for many their only worldview comes from people with their same biases.
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