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Re: History of Techno

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mmmmmk wrote: post #245
yowlingcat wrote: post #213

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> I'm not holding onto laughably provincial notions of cosmogony > it is just strange to ... only make passing reference to its progenitors Which one is it? Electronic music didn't begin with Krautrock, it began with avant garde composers pushing limits. Messiaen, Ives, Varése, Cage; all of this in the late 19th century to early 20th century. Krautrock itself is deeply indebted to its own stylistic progenitors in Ame…

You're being a bit too clever. The term 'techno' is attributed to Kraftwerk who were hugely influential for all forms of electronic music after them. It is strange to only mention them briefly later on, and present it as the history of techno.

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jldl805 wrote: post #254
mmmmmk wrote: post #245

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You're being a bit too clever. The term 'techno' is attributed to Kraftwerk who were hugely influential for all forms of electronic music after them. It is strange to only mention them briefly later on, and present it as the history of techno.

Maybe the "term" but the "genre" techno was really born in Detroit. Not a really controversial statement.

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Post by wolverine876 »

devmunchies wrote: post #247
jamal-kumar wrote: post #224

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Why guilt? The first stuff anyone started calling techno was pretty black. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhtdRd9AuIs And that's OK, there's literally nothing wrong with this. I think there's also a lot of stuff to be said about how there's anecdotes about how the early rave scene had a lot of previously unheard of racial unity going on, stuff like skinhead and rasta gangs or even rival football ultras encountering…

> Why guilt? GP made it seem like whites being a big part of current techno scene is bad. > The first stuff anyone started calling techno was pretty black you could say the first stuff anyone started calling electronic music was pretty white. point is, racial attribution for something that has a huge array of influences is silly. > unheard of racial unity going on yes, the way it should be.

> GP made it seem like whites being a big part of current techno scene is bad.

I don't see that; I don't see any "guilt", using your word. Can you point it out? People have other motives.

My impression is that you brought your own (reactionary?) bias to it, using a reactionary talking point whether it really applies or not. Why bring down someone who is trying to expand their experiences, knowledge, and community, in a world where racism is common and leads to many people being excluded. We should work to include - that's great, creative, positive; there's no reason it needs to be motivated by guilt.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

tern wrote: post #248
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #147

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It's funny because I guess I'm old but that kind of stuff feels sort of like the "end of the road" for techno and not part of the history, more of the end of the history. I liked some of it at the time -- I have some of the Code Red Adam Beyer stuff on coloured red vinyl somewhere -- but it's a bit soul-less and monolithic. A very white middle class European straightlaced "thump thump thump" interpretation of the gen…

I totally agree for 90, even 99% of the tracks from that era, but there are some serious gems in there. I really enjoy the Youtube account "TECHNO" for finding some of it. A few producers that stood out to me: Kobaya, Rino Cerrone, Samuel L. Session, Leandro Gamez, G-Force, Tomie Nevada, Headroom, Gaetano Parisio, Damon Wild & Echoplex (slightly difference scene), Ade Fenton ... and many others less famous and with f…

Damon Wild, that's good stuff.

Here, crack a cool one and breathe this in, for a little while:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RFY8GK5PAA

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Post by wolverine876 »

anthk wrote: post #139
mqp wrote: post #117

I'm pleased to see accuracy in the history of techno. I for one did not know it's roots took place back in the 70s and from the black community. These days when I look at techno artists and their raving followers, its prodimently white. I have since taken active steps to seek out the lesser know black artists to support. Many modern music fundamentals are origins from the black community and very little is correctly…

White European here (Spain). Black people in the US invented basically the three modern music roots: - Blues/Rock - Techno - Rap The problem is rap had much better marketing in the US, ditto with rhythm and blues in the 90's.

Omitting jazz from the list of African-American musical innovations is like omitting goal-scoring from Messi's achievements or MacOS from Apple's.

Also, by "rap" I think you mean 'hip-hop', which includes sampling and mixing, especially using turntables.

> Well, blues is the son of jazz music :)

Try some Muddy Waters and John Coltrane, listen, then report back.

With due respect, beyond every form of music being related to every other (just like you are probably a distant relative of mine), they are such different genres that my impression of the comment - which could be completely wrong - is that the commenter has not listed to jazz, blues, or both.

Re: History of Techno

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Post by SvenMarquardt »

tomduncalf wrote: post #258
randomopining wrote: post #255

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Yeahh that’s an insane track. Spiraling arpeggios into infinite, like you said. Yeah that set is crazy. New track Cylinder into the crazy unreleased 303 one is madness. How old is too old? I’ve had a reprieve because of covid and I wonder when I go back if I’ll like it as much as I did in 2019. I’ve def matured in reducing excesses... And I think I’m less of a chin scratching techno elitist. What spots or events are…

I’m 36... still enjoy late nights but find it messes up my sleep for days after even if I am fairly sensible with alcohol etc., so I’m more selective about when I go out - has to be worthwhile! Day parties I’m down for (tho they have a way of turning into night parties lol) In London, good venues are Corsica Studios, Pickle Factory, The Cause, Fold... all pretty low key and underground. There’s good stuff in other ci…

Get yourself over to the continent. If you start partying at 4am Sun morning you can finish at 10pm Sun night and be fresh Monday.

Re: History of Techno

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

kristopolous wrote: post #257
tern wrote: post #28

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Histories of techno always leave out some of my favorites from the early 2000s Adam Beyer / Drumcode era of fast maximalist techno—Zenit records for instance https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPN0gicPJTTUJVhVMzCne... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOfuXwU6GoQ And I was surprised they mentioned Surgeon and Regis, but not their Downwards Records https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBilbhSIIhgKbRezA7RoO...

That whole movement was kinda self contained. Early 2000s Central Europe. There's a party drug contribution that's really instrumental to these movements. I have been thinking of how to do a musical taxonomy by narcotic, but it's hard to do without making everyone sound like a junkie. New Beat and MDMA, Disco and cocaine, freeform Jazz and heroine, etc. (I'm a big fan of all of these btw, and could likely make you wa…

Yea, that Swedish techno and its offshoots ... it was/is amphetamine music. That's my jerky opinion anyways.

Boom-tss, boom-ts, fist pump

Re: History of Techno

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Post by spiralx »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #232
spiralx wrote: post #228

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I also saw him as Crystal Distortion back in the mid-00s at Uglyfunk and as himself in the early 10s, so that's only one more time than you :) I'm a big fan of Detroit ghetto-tech like DJ Godfather, and have a similar problem of it only existing on the other side of the Atlantic... The weekender I mentioned has had at least one of the top DJs over every other year or so over the last decade which is amazing, because…

I believe I saw Godfather and some others in that vein at the first Detroit Electronic Music Festival back in 2000. Maybe in 2001. Sweet little Canadian me was ... shocked ... by the way people uh, danced to that stuff.

Hah, I bet, watching people dancing to it in Boiler Room videos is different enough from what I'm used to, and that's got to be a lot tamer than you'd see somewhere without cameras filming the entire thing!

The first time I saw this clip it was amazing how distant it was from everything I've experienced since going to my first club in 1995 - and the video is from closer to 1995 than 1995 is to today!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EarSRa19sZc

I've seen Model 500 and wasn't impressed to be honest, but then again electro isn't my thing at all so that's more about me lol, my friends enjoyed it a lot :)

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