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Re: The most effective malaria vaccine yet discovered

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Post by galangalalgol »

georgeam wrote: post #206
galangalalgol wrote: post #194

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Malaria has killed so many people I don't really care if wiping them out starts a trophic cascade, it would probably still kill fewer people than malaria. If we had to give up condors and bees, I'd still think it a fair trade.

With the bees will go lots of foods that depend on them for pollination. Bees are very essential for agriculture.

Actually very few of our foods, and none of our staple crops rely significantly on insects for pollination. Grapes for instance, can use insects but don't have significant problems in their absence.

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Post by spacemanmatt »

lxxxvi wrote: post #256
spacemanmatt wrote: post #255

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> it's Haves vs Have Nots - the only two classes Then what do you call it when the Haves trend light in skin tone and the Have Nots trend dark in skin tone?

3/4 of Europe are have-nots in the expat:immigrant debate...

I might be confused. Is your argument that 3/4 of Europe being Have Nots negates racial inequity?

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Post by jhayward »

koheripbal wrote: post #190
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Covid-19 is a baby bike with training wheels. And we fail disastrously at that. It is far from the worse scenario epidemiologists train for, but it could easily become one: a variant with high lethality can always appear suddenly. And yes, malaria is not discussed enough. I remember Bill Gates releasing mosquitos in a room before a speech to get the public attention "these could carry a deadly disease we have no cure…

You know, that's complicated... A more deadly virus, as we saw with SARS, was that it was actually easier to control because the high death rate made it very easy to contact trace and identify infected. In many ways covid19 is a challenge exactly because it doesnt kill too many people.

It wasn't the death rate of SARS that made it easy to control, it was the lack of an infectious period pre-symptoms.

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Post by jhayward »

throwawayboise wrote: post #41
soperj wrote: post #38

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Because old people are worth less than children?

Frankly, yes. It sounds cold hearted but many of the COVID deaths were people who were going to die in the next 24 months anyway.

> The average years of life lost per death is 16 years.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-83040-3

And, dismissing the death of someone by saying "they were going to die soon anyway, so what" is disgusting.

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Post by dmt0 »

spacemanmatt wrote: post #255
dmt0 wrote: post #229

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And Russians are immigrants. It doesn't go by race, it's Haves vs Have Nots - the only two classes that really exist.

> it's Haves vs Have Nots - the only two classes Then what do you call it when the Haves trend light in skin tone and the Have Nots trend dark in skin tone?

I call it "fighting over bread crumbs when 0.01% take away the whole cake".

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Post by ny2ko »

dmt0 wrote: post #229
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Japanese working abroad are expats wherever they are.

And Russians are immigrants. It doesn't go by race, it's Haves vs Have Nots - the only two classes that really exist.

It's definitely more nuanced for sure. Factors that can play into it can include but aren't limited to race, social standing and class, country that you are living into etc. I agree there's a have vs have nots at play at times but I don't think you can discount race at play either.

As an example, I always found it interesting that when I moved to the US, I found the words use suddenly disappears despite there being lots of people that could fit that mold. Has anyone experienced otherwise? I'd be curious to know

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Post by oblio »

iso1631 wrote: post #250
oblio wrote: post #245

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> a NIMBY type effect, but in reverse We call that selfishness :-) And we can't force people to help others, no matter how much we dislike the attitude.

> And we can't force people to help others, no matter how much we dislike the attitude. We can, and we do all the time, via taxation. You're forced to pay taxes to fund the people who empty the bins in the park you never even go to. It's a good thing.

Yeah, but taxation stops at the national border level.

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Post by oblio »

iso1631 wrote: post #251
oblio wrote: post #244

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Yeah, but nobody's killing them on purpose (I hope!). It's just that those regions are warm and humid, and this creates great living conditions for mosquitoes. To make things worse, many countries in these regions are poor, so they can't afford treatment or prevention (pesticides to kill mosquitoes, draining swamps, etc.). Rich countries in the same regions most likely don't have big problems with malaria (or if mala…

Florida is warm and humid If you see someone drowning and refuse to throw them the life ring because you might damage your newly painted nails, you're not technically killing them on purpose, but you're still killing them through your inaction

I applaud your globalist approach, but nobody's really applying it. When push comes to shove, we're barely able to stand in solidarity at a national level.

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Post by bijant »

georgeam wrote: post #206
galangalalgol wrote: post #194

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Malaria has killed so many people I don't really care if wiping them out starts a trophic cascade, it would probably still kill fewer people than malaria. If we had to give up condors and bees, I'd still think it a fair trade.

With the bees will go lots of foods that depend on them for pollination. Bees are very essential for agriculture.

Bees are just another legacy producer ripe for disruption. With recent Progress in AI and Drone technology the question isn’t if Bees get replaced by autonomous Nanobots but when.

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Post by ny2ko »

Perceval wrote: post #257
ny2ko wrote: post #162

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Agreed with the other responses. The main reason there are lots of malaria deaths is often due to the lack of access to medication but for folks that do, it is similar to the flu stateside. I was born and raised in Uganda and I'm shocked by this. Ebola was 100x more scary than malaria growing. At least way back before this recent vaccine. Get Ebola you are basically screwed, get malaria have a pill To be fair on your…

Quinine is better as a prophylaxis rather than a treatment - i.e. for preventative or early-stage use, not once it's developed into a bad case. Low doses early (like in the tonic water of the late 1800s) could help prevent one from catching malaria while avoiding the nasty side effects of larger quinine doses needed for treating an advanced case.

Ah I see. I was only familiar with the latter advanced case usage
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