Denmark to permanently cease using AstraZeneca vaccine

Post by mzs » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 5:19 PM UTC

sbuk wrote: post #45

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Theoretically Pfizer has higher efficacy, especially with variants. Giving Pfizer to the old and AZ to the young probably saves more lives than the other way around. If you decide that you don't want to give AZ to the young any more, it doesn't follow that it's then a good idea to give it to the old, especially if you have enough supplies of Pfizer to vaccinate the old.

All the vaccines have 100% efficacy in preventing ICU admissions so far.

Post by throwawayboise » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 5:21 PM UTC

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I’ll tell you one thing that’s even worse than elections - no elections

Absolutely! But having elections in 2021 makes every Covid-related decision by definition political. And that doesn't help. I should have made clear that the problem with elections is the timing, not elections in general. Governments should be focused on getting the population vaccinated as fast as possible now, and not worry about their / (re-)election chances.

Post by throwawayboise » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

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>There was a bit of an initial, politically influenced confusion in the US at the beginning up until about June You are downplaying it - they were actively taking a stance against them in the US and June was already quite late into the pandemic. The WHO themselves were advising people NOT to wear a mask and that it might be even more dangerous to wear one than not to wear it months into the pandemic.. They also only…

> The WHO themselves were advising people NOT to wear a mask and that it might be even more dangerous to wear one than not to wear it months into the pandemic.. They also only revised this in June To protect yourself . The revised and current advice is to wear masks to protect the others and avoid propagating the virus. Why does everyone complaining about the masks thing miss that? And as others have already said, th…

Post by hef19898 » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 5:31 PM UTC

throwawayboise wrote: post #263

hef19898 wrote: post #102

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Absolutely! But having elections in 2021 makes every Covid-related decision by definition political. And that doesn't help. I should have made clear that the problem with elections is the timing, not elections in general. Governments should be focused on getting the population vaccinated as fast as possible now, and not worry about their / (re-)election chances.

As soon as you justify canceling elections for one crisis, you can cancel them for any crisis. You'll manufacture a crisis if necessary.

Post by alkonaut » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

tomjen3 wrote: post #214

alkonaut wrote: post #3

Not giving it to 65+ people seems overly cautious. There are zero cases in that group and even just a small delay will mean many dead. This is trading a potential unlikely side effect for a large number of severe Covid cases in high risk groups. Edit: yes I'm aware they have only a dozen or so dead per week but that also translates to hundreds of severe cases, missed elective surgeries, etc. For what would most likel…

Not really. We have already vacinated most of the high risk groups and our hospitals are not at risk of capacity. It just means that people like me who are at the end of the queue will lose six months more of our lives waiting for a vaccine (they have also paused J&J, I am assuming that one is gone too).