For AstraZeneca and not J&J, but these slides from the University of Cambridge do a better job of communicating the balance of risks than I possibly could: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...
US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine
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#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
People keep saying this will add to vaccine hesitancy but I'm not convinced. The vaccine-hesitant are already skeptical of authorities and aren't going to be especially reassured just because US agencies say it's fine, when it's already hit the news that European agencies have halted J&J. Seeing US agencies halting J&J while continuing the other vaccines could even be reassuring. It shows that US agencies really are…
What you will find is that the vaccine-hesitant are perfectly happy to take the word of authorities who say "this vaccine is unsafe" and only have trouble accepting the word of authorities who say "this vaccine is safe".
For people who won't accept the vaccine regardless, it doesn't matter either way. For people who can be convinced, I think that obvious evidence of caution may be helpful in convincing them.
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
"That’s the same risk as driving London to Liverpool" This was the first one your website presented and I have no idea what it means.
I guess you may be confused by the missing "from". It should be "driving from London to Liverpool", whereas the present phrasing suggests we move a city with millions of inhabitants.
That might actually be the problem - however, it's kind of a stretch to say it "should" be expressed that way. "Driving A to B" is a common phrase (as for whether it's technically correct, despite the ambiguity of meaning, I actually am not sure).
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#264Six cases in seven million administered doses. One death. Meanwhile, hormonal birth control causes clots in 1/1,000 women. No one blinks an eye. The vaccine hesitancy this engenders is likely gonna kill more than that one person. https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1381936112311148548 > Public health bureaucrats have some weird habits in how they reason under uncertainty and how they communicate to the public. I…
The obvious difference is that the vaccine is being forced upon people. A woman can talk to her doctor, understand the risk, and decide to take birth control or not.
The vaccine was given to people, under threat of exclusion from society, without knowledge of the side effects. Not comparable.
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I don't see your point. The J&J vaccine also presumably prevents much more blood clot-related harm than it's causing. OP is pointing out that we seem to have weirdly high standards for COVID vaccines vs. stuff we're used to. Also, how does Bayes' Theorem apply to your comment?
There's no "high standard" to begin with. J&J is paused because there are alternatives that don't have clotting to the same degree. A comparison with birth control makes no sense. Is there some magical birth control that's used orders of magnitude more (Pfizer) and orders of magnitude safer with respect to blood clotting and also prevents pregnancy? No? Then the comparison is stupid.
There currently isn't enough vaccine to meet demand. Pausing J&J distribution will cause a larger gap between supply and demand. The 7 day average of deaths from Covid in the U.S. is 985. Even a week's delay in getting to full deployment of the vaccine thus means thousands of deaths.
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Wait, that doesn't sound quite right: the benefit of taking the vaccine goes not only to you, it's also to the people you would have otherwise infected by spreading the virus yourself.
And if they get infected, they will also become immune (and likely a better immunity than the vaccine).
Long COVID, that vaccines seem to help with (but still need more study) disagrees with you.
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#267Why are women adversely affected?
I read there is a bias in the data due to young women being the moat common demographic for nursing jobs.
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#268Six cases in seven million administered doses. One death. Meanwhile, hormonal birth control causes clots in 1/1,000 women. No one blinks an eye. The vaccine hesitancy this engenders is likely gonna kill more than that one person. https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1381936112311148548 > Public health bureaucrats have some weird habits in how they reason under uncertainty and how they communicate to the public. I…
Why is it relevant? So far nobody forces me to take birth control and threatens for exclude me from the society if I refuse to do so (UK wants to require vaccine passports to go to cinema, for example). Nobody paints me as stupid anti-vaxxer if I just say I don't want to take BC pills. Nobody tells me that I won't be able to travel unless I agree to take BC.
If your fetus could spread to other people while you're pregnant, those would all be great points.
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#269Why didn't they stop the vaccinations in women under age of 60/65? I'm a 40 year old man, if I were a woman I wouldn't take J&J or AstraZeneca, but as I'm a man, I think it's worth to take the risk of the side effects of the vaccination.
Now you have the logistical challenges of shipping 2 vaccines to some small town. One for the men, another for the women. Additionally, that town needs the not insubstantial refrigeration capabilities anyway. So what’s the point if you’re a public health admin? Just get the moderna or Pfizer and save yourself and your staff a lot of headache. The logistical benefits of J&J mean that it’s only logistically beneficial…
Better to write the town off to the pandemic. I mean, we’re in the middle of a fourth surge, so realistically, double digit percentages of the town are likely to get covid if we delay even a few weeks, but 10% of 0.5% the population dying from covid and increased spreading of the new variants are reasonable prices to pay to avoid 1 in a million side effects.
We can make a statue for the people that die in the following weeks protecting the rest of us from the J&J vaccine. They’ll be heroes.
Sorry. Really pissed off about this.
Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine
#270Six cases in seven million administered doses. One death. Meanwhile, hormonal birth control causes clots in 1/1,000 women. No one blinks an eye. The vaccine hesitancy this engenders is likely gonna kill more than that one person. https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1381936112311148548 > Public health bureaucrats have some weird habits in how they reason under uncertainty and how they communicate to the public. I…
Why is it relevant? So far nobody forces me to take birth control and threatens for exclude me from the society if I refuse to do so (UK wants to require vaccine passports to go to cinema, for example). Nobody paints me as stupid anti-vaxxer if I just say I don't want to take BC pills. Nobody tells me that I won't be able to travel unless I agree to take BC.
I am a guy, so maybe I don't know what I am talking about. But I have a strong suspicion that the consequences for young women that chose not to take birth control pills can be felt as well and that they often feel quite a pressure from friends, boyfriends, parents, etc. to take the pill.