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The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by michaelmrose »

marshmallow_12 wrote: post #259
michaelmrose wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of throwing out the names of logical fallacies as if they applied to this argument please explain how this is a straw man?

You are projecting your own understanding of how and what religion is, and then attacking it. That is a straw man

In what way do may statements and reality diverge? Be specific with quotes.

For example

> science does not have the tools to reproduce the beginning of the Universe. If it's not reproducible it's not Science.

What followed in this thread wasn't a discussion of religion. The post you are directly replying to directly dealt with the charge that it is impossible to scientifically examine the beginning on life on earth because it wasn't reproducible and ergo not science based on your misunderstanding what reproducible means.

If you look again up thread you will see that religion was discussed in a different part of the thread. Did you mean entirely different statements were strawmen? If so what and again please be specific.

I have myself been very specific in the arguments I refuted so you can do the same.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by burnte »

mrkstu wrote: post #238
burnte wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Viruses will attack anything they can successfully reproduce in, they have absolutely no preferences. They are binary, they survive and thrive or they don't. That's why some viruses can sucessfully jump species, and some can't, some viruses are able to survive in multiple hosts through dumb luck. Yes, they all need specific types of conditions in their hosts to survive, but they don't care if it's a big, a dog, a hum…

Viruses have evolved to hijack DNA- I'd find it highly unlikely a truly alien biology would be susceptible to earth viruses. Maybe some truly primitive precursor virus may have been able to, but I'd think any of those would be long gone.

We have no idea if they'll be DNA based or not, but there's a nonzero chance they might. If Earth found DNA the easiest path, so might another world.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by burnte »

maxerickson wrote: post #202
burnte wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Viruses will attack anything they can successfully reproduce in, they have absolutely no preferences. They are binary, they survive and thrive or they don't. That's why some viruses can sucessfully jump species, and some can't, some viruses are able to survive in multiple hosts through dumb luck. Yes, they all need specific types of conditions in their hosts to survive, but they don't care if it's a big, a dog, a hum…

We don't really know whether other forms of life would use proteins, or make the same ones the same way we do. Both of those things are important to all of the viruses we have experience with.

Proteins are just groups of amino acids which occur in stellar nebulae. It could easily be a widely used building block of life.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by totalZero »

klebe wrote: post #64

adults average 2-4 colds per year; kids even more so (6-8) Think about all the natural immunity we squandered by locking everyone down.....not only did we miss out on herd immunity, but now it seems that even the common cold would've acted as a defense system experts are to be doubted. always. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold

3yo account whose only comment urges people to doubt the experts? Not sure I understand how that happens....seems suspicious.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by boldpandabear »

There is no virus that causes the common cold, so this is just more nonsense speculation.

Do yourself and your lineage a favor and research Dr Hamer's Five Biological Laws.

Saying virus particles are the cause of illnesss is like saying ashes are the cause of fire. Both are at the scene of the crime, and neither are at fault.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by totalZero »

trhway wrote: post #212
klebe wrote: post #64

adults average 2-4 colds per year; kids even more so (6-8) Think about all the natural immunity we squandered by locking everyone down.....not only did we miss out on herd immunity, but now it seems that even the common cold would've acted as a defense system experts are to be doubted. always. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold

>all the natural immunity we squandered by locking everyone down especially when it comes to children. It has already been established that the too sanitized modern existence leads to increase of allergies/autoimmunes/etc. Now the lockdowns and masks (which judging by the numbers haven't so far helped much with Covid) denied to children the early immune system "cross-pollination" of kinder-gardens/schools/etc. , thus…

> It has already been established that the too sanitized modern existence leads to increase of allergies/autoimmunes/etc.

This is called the Hygiene Hypothesis and it has not been established in the sense of having been empirically demonstrated and widely confirmed. It's still a theory with proponents and critics.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by thitcanh »

guscost wrote: post #30

All human coronavirus diseases, including COVID-19, are colds. Always have been. This one from 1890 might have been caused by OC43: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889–1890_pandemic

I hate statements like this because even if they’re true they end up in the average person’s hands who’ll claim “COVID is just a cold” like they do with “evolution is just a theory.”

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by maxerickson »

burnte wrote: post #263
maxerickson wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't really know whether other forms of life would use proteins, or make the same ones the same way we do. Both of those things are important to all of the viruses we have experience with.

Proteins are just groups of amino acids which occur in stellar nebulae. It could easily be a widely used building block of life.

I'm saying they can attack an alien just as likely as they can a human.

For that to be true, you need some governing rule of life, not 'could easily be a widely used'.

(You'll note, I phrased my other reply in terms of us not knowing)

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by oliv__ »

dehrmann wrote: post #130
etiam wrote: post #3

Maybe this could be an explanation for the most unexpected dip in COVID-19 infection around January. Does data for rhinovirus infections get collected to such an extent that it would be possible to compare curves?

Flu cases are way down, so by proxy, I'd assume colds are also down unless a lot more people got flu shots this season.

Flu case numbers are way down. I wouldn't be so sure that flu cases are down

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by guscost »

valarauko wrote: post #172
_nalply wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He maintains that he has been laughed off for his wild conspiracy theories.

I'm unclear what the specific claim that he's been making for years exactly is - that coronaviruses have a morbidity profile similar to COVID, from the GP? Or that we can't believe long term dynamics for disease models because the parameters go to extremes?

Paraphrasing: “The academics who claim that we narrowly avoided a SARS/etc holocaust, have a fatal conflict of interest, and are completely full of shit.”
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