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Which ones don't? I used the Android client and telega, both of those do. I believe the iOS one does, too.
For sure: Linux.
I use telega on Linux, I guess this is the Qt-based desktop client?
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Apart from the fact that they have access to your contacts, I haven't felt that the E2E encryption of WhatsApp has been in danger of being eroded. I do use Signal when possible, but I find WhatsApp to be secure enough for my day to day messaging with friends and family. I can't say the same about Telegram since it does not have E2E encryption on by default on all messages.
For many it was the prospect of metadata being sent to WA's big brother Facebook. Personally I don't want anything to do with the FB ecosystem so I deleted my WA account. I didn't have anything against WA per se, I really like the app , just the connection to FB is unacceptable.
But if telegram sells to FB or someone worse, you will be in a worse position as now they will not only have your metadata, but also the full text of your messages.
It doesn't make since to move away from one company for privacy reasons onto another company with even worse privacy.
Re: Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon
#263So they will do what made some people hate Whatsapp when Facebook acquired them?
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Wouldn’t you have to trust WhatsApp to do the right thing too, as far as end to end encryption is concerned? How would anyone know if the original Signal E2E is still around or changes have been made to it? WhatsApp already collects, stores and shares more metadata than Signal does. Are there any audit reports from trustworthy parties on WhatsApp behaving as expected on encryption? Or are we just relying on someone w…
Sure, WhatsApp can go rogue at any time. Signal app is obviously better. However, at least we have a possibility to find out if WhatsApp goes evil - decompilation, protocol analysis are still available. I wouldn't also discount fear of reputation losses if E2E vanishes from WhatsApp. Compared to maybe-evil-in-the-future WhatsApp, default Telegram is already evil, because they have access to all communication right no…
I think you missed my point, which is that WhatsApp is already rogue by way of metadata collection (which is as valuable as content), and that there’s no way anyone can claim with certainty that it’s not gobbling up more data on the server. Even Signal has stopped publishing its server source code for nearly a year, and if we are playing the game of what Telegram is doing with the data, we can say the same about Signal too on metadata (now that more information about groups and group memberships is stored on the servers).
Re: Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon
#265It can easily be exploited with bots and growth workflows. While that remains, I don't see a lot of demand from advertisers.
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Signal user here, on iOS and using the Mac client. What am I missing?
Give Telegram or Matrix a try. They are both miles ahead of Signal and their teams on both sides actually seem to care about openness and usability. Signal actively discourages third-party clients and doesn't accept community contributions in most cases(not that you'd actually want to, because their codebases are trash.) We can do better. Matrix with bridges and your own server is quite a nice experience. Have a look…
Adding to this, Element is a great first Matrix client :) Not involved with it, just a very happy user.
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It's funny to see this towards the top of the comments here. Feels like not that long ago that Telegram updates would be downvotes on HackerNews because "you should never trust an app that designed their own encryption protocol."
As the author of the parent comment… …yes, I am aware Telegram does not use the absolute best practices, and at the very least, I imagine it can be cracked wide open by a nation-state intelligence agency. Which is why, for my occasional super-secret must-be-hush-hush chats, I use other clients. For my day-to-day chats? Telegram. Because, to be privileged, to be flippant: the NSA is welcome to read my texts about what…
So weird
I personally would trust Telegram way more than even Signal for encryption.
Armchair sneering doesnt count for me
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No, not just branding. Read the message I linked to. He explicitly says he doesn't want other clients to use their infra.
There is nothing, technically, that he can do to prevent third party clients. That's the same thing we did in the times of ICQ, AOL and MSN Messenger. And there is an actual demand for features not provided by the official client, as stated by the amount of PRs contributed by non-Signal developers waiting in their GitHub repo, so people will continue to come with their own changes.
> There is nothing, technically, that he can do to prevent third party clients.
There are plenty of technical ways of detecting and blocking 3rd party clients (using both in-channel and side-channel, uh, signals); the only challenge is that it becomes a never-ending arms-race
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#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
Give Telegram or Matrix a try. They are both miles ahead of Signal and their teams on both sides actually seem to care about openness and usability. Signal actively discourages third-party clients and doesn't accept community contributions in most cases(not that you'd actually want to, because their codebases are trash.) We can do better. Matrix with bridges and your own server is quite a nice experience. Have a look…
Adding to this, Element is a great first Matrix client :) Not involved with it, just a very happy user. https://element.io
I’ve been having an issue with E2E encryption in a Room on a self-hosted homeserver with ~10 users. It has to do with a user having multiple devices, I think. There’s an ongoing issue on GitHub [0]. It’s been the only downside to Element for us, so far. Other than that I’m happy with Matrix in general. Kind of a pain trying to troubleshoot decryption keys cross-country with my mom.
Re: Telegram is booming but needs advertisers and $700M soon
#270Pavel Durov, the CEO of Telegram, has repeatedly said the following on his Telegram channel about ads on Telegram: - ads will be only on very large public channels and not on all public channels - there won’t be any ads in chats - the ads will be contextual, and not based on tracking or profiling users and their activity - users will be able to opt out of ads Other monetization options like donations and subscription…
Same. UI/UX-wise and super light and blazing fast native clients - I would gladly pay like ~$5/month.
Also same. I'd also like the ability to pay maybe a bit more and be able to gift full access to friends/family.