I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service • Hacker News Board

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by cmehdy » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 3:24 PM UTC

Theory5 wrote: post #190

capableweb wrote: post #169

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Yeah. Try using wildcard email accounts together with a uncommon TLD, and people ask me if I work at their place all the time. Last time I booked a car at Hertz: > Me: My email is hertz@capableweb.work > Agent: Woah, you work here at Hertz? That's so cool > Me: sure, can you remind me of the employee discount again? So many email validations fail with a uncommon gTLD that I started switching everything to a .com doma…

As a security person its hard as heck training (some of) our users to understand how basic domain formats work. We use a phishing simulation service, and outside of certain content,putting part or all of our company name in the domain but adding other words/underscores/etc is what tricks a lot of people. I tend to explain how it works in a basic format, and often you can see the light bulb go off when I point out how…

This stuff is not really well made for normal people, to be honest. Just look at all the discussions and troubles (tickets, misunderstandings, security risks) related to email and hyperlink parsers..

It took me a while to know that FQDNs can (and sometimest must?) start at root with a period, meaning every address you've ever typed could have finished with a period (news.ycombinator.com.) and I recall some newspaper (NYT? News Yorker?) failing to test for that when people want to bypass their paywall. And this is a valid email address apparently: #!$%&’*+-/=?^_`{}|~@example.com

RFCs/codified norms by tech people are just weird to normal people.

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by kwhitefoot » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 3:26 PM UTC

kureikain wrote: post #85

My hat off to tinyprojects. This is a very cool project and I'm so happy to see they wrote this at the end: > But they're fun, and I think tech should be more fun. Apparently I run https://hanami.run an email forwarding service and I also say that https://hanami.run/blog/posts/welcome-to-hanami/#the-future > At the same time, we like to make email more fun. We are commited to build tools that help you process email e…

It works. But what is it for? How do other people interact with it and the images?

I like the commenting idea.

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by gerdesj » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

thesuitonym wrote: post #194

lights0123 wrote: post #180

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GNOME has Ctrl+period.

KDE has one, too. Not sure what the default was, I remapped it to Super+Period

I use KDE and I've never tried it before. Win+. works!

Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by belval » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

worldofmatthew wrote: post #109

dmitriid wrote: post #102

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> There's a big downside to using .kz in that the registry has a policy (as per https://nic.kz/rules/ ) that .kz hostnames must relate to "Internet resources" located on hardware and software located within the territory of Kazakhstan. Any country TLD is a potential risk that most western "entrepreneurs" blissfully ignore. Just a month ago notion.so had troubles with it's domain because .so belongs to Somalia, and So…

Aka why I mainly stick with .com

The issue it that a lot of .com are taken so for the sake of a personal email address it is not ideal.

The person that owns "belval.com" literally registered it before I was born so I settled for "belval.org", "belval.me", "belv.al" but only the first one is accepted by most company.

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Post by dieortin » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #3

This is a fun hack, but there is no way I would get involved in providing any form of commercial email service for $1440 arr. I wouldn't do it for $1440 a _day_. Everything involved with email is pain. I wish you luck.

The other day I setup a postfix server in my VPS, which I intend to use with mailman3 to have some mailing lists.

It was a bit of a pain to set up, but nothing too difficult. The worst part was setting up DKIM and SPF.

The thing is, I constantly hear people saying that managing an email server is something extremely difficult and that requires constant attention.

Am I doing something foolish by attempting to do this by myself? Should I just pay for a big email provider? (They’re quite expensive for the resources my organization has)

I’ve tried to set everything up as securely as possible, but I’m not an expert in email either. I’m just afraid I might be creating big trouble for myself in the future.

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Post by ada1981 » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 3:28 PM UTC

teddyh wrote: post #17

When we can’t even discuss current tech events here on HN because HN filters out the characters needed, maybe it’s time for HN to rethink its emoji filtering policy.

These still work:

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Re: I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service

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Post by Jonovono » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 3:28 PM UTC

duiker101 wrote: post #140

jefe_ wrote: post #112

The customer's words echoed in his mind. 'robert at lightbulb emoji dot kz, but with a real lightbulb emoji.' The clerk had registered thousands, maybe tens of thousands of e-mails into the Nordstrom Rack Nordy Rewards program, and he had seen it all, but this, this was something entirely new. This wasn't the single letter username or the overly sexual address or the gmail address with the plus sign, all mildly inter…

I use an email address that ends in .io and the amount of people that still ask me ".io? are you sure that's correct?" never ceases to amaze me.

Mine ends in .sexy, the looks I get are even better than when I used my .io one ;p and then if they follow up for my phone number it gets even better when I tell them as it ends in 6969.

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Post by kirykl » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 3:32 PM UTC

LeonM wrote: post #97

This service should come with a big fat warning that the emoji email addresses should never be used for anything remotely serious. Running an email service is not, by any means, a 'tiny project'. I would never pay, nor rely on an e-mail service that is effectively a one-men side project. I just took a quick check on the 'mailbox' domain (I can't paste emoji here on HN). There seems to be no DMARC, no MTA-STS and no T…

If you know so much about this stuff instead of criticizing, offer to help for a consulting fee and get your own paragraph in the next update to this story

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 3:32 PM UTC

fennecfoxen wrote: post #168

tadzik_ wrote: post #151

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Hell, booking.com will even tell you that "your address looks incorrect" (sometimes, I got it once out of two bookings made on a single day), if you dare to use your own domain .com. They used to nag me about "ohh, are you sure it's not tadzik_@gmail.com"? And I'm not sure what's worse.

You got nothing on my firstname@lastname.technology email. Can't register at half the sites, and if you can register sometimes you can't log in. Banana Republic, in particular, lets me log in through one login flow, but not the one that's integrated into the checkout process.

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Post by dylan604 » Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 3:33 PM UTC

hedora wrote: post #239

LeonM wrote: post #97

This service should come with a big fat warning that the emoji email addresses should never be used for anything remotely serious. Running an email service is not, by any means, a 'tiny project'. I would never pay, nor rely on an e-mail service that is effectively a one-men side project. I just took a quick check on the 'mailbox' domain (I can't paste emoji here on HN). There seems to be no DMARC, no MTA-STS and no T…

If enough people start using it, the big email providers will follow, or the new service will get around to fixing it. It’ll work out either way. I’m not going to shed a tear for gmail if they have to start putting up with someone else’s busted non-standard email infrastructure. They should be able to get what they give.

>They should be able to get what they give.

Except, that will never happen. What's more likely, Gmail changes what they do to accomodate some goofy emoji system, or users of some goofy emoji system get frustrated about it's incompatibility and stop using it because it is so frustrating? I'm not talking about tech nerds on HN or the likes. I'm talking about FOMO/YOLO types that think it's "cool", but then new shiny happens, and they just forget about. One group significantly outnumbers the other.